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The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy – Kamimozhi’s dubious talk about her visit to Tirumala (3)

January 13, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy – Kamimozhi’s dubious talk about her visit to Tirumala (3)

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-biometric

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Kanimozhi entering temple…

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Kalyanakatta

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At Kalyana katta, where, devotees are given free tonsure – Kanimozhi seen listening to Venkauya Naidu.

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-standing at tonsure.2

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The women members had symbolic tonsure just cutting few strands of hair-bits or touching with scissors!

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-standing at tonsure

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The women members went in a queue – Kani in her turn!

Kanimozhi’s visit to Tirumala in 2012 and criticism made in 2017: Kanimozhi, the Rajya Sabha MP claimed that she visited Tirumala, as a member of the Committee under Venkaiah Naidu, during her controversial speech made at the WAC, Trichy on 06-01-2018. She had claimed that she had recently visited the popular Tirupati Tirumala temple in Andhra Pradesh[1]. Kanimozhi said she, along with some other MPs, was taken to the temple by Vice President Venkaiah Naidu, as a part of a Home Affairs Committee, through a special route arranged for the group[2].  “If you give more money and buy a ticket you get special dharsanam [visit]. If not, you stand for 10 hours, 20 hours or two days. That is god………He (accompanied MP) told me that all their wishes are being granted and they are being protected…I then asked him, there is a money collection box right in front of the god. Why is there a security personnel with a stun gun protecting it? People who run the temple are not confident that god can protect the money collection box. Why should I believe in god?”…..” When TNM contacted Kanimozhi she was unfazed by the opposition that the speech has garnered[3]. “Whatever happens, I will face it legally. I said this at an Atheist Conference,” she says[4]. This made me to dig into her visit, because, as an atheist, she should not have visited the temple. The background of the visit and the details are as follows.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- viwing queue

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Why and how Kanimozhi visited Tirumala and also SHAR, and Kalpakkam in November 2012?: As a part of a Home Affairs Committee, kanimozhi visited the Tirumala temple on November 12, 2012. The team paid a visit to both –

  • the pilgrim-choked Vaikuntam queue complexes,
  • Kalyanakatta and
  • Matrusri Tarigonda Vengamamba free meals complex and
  • the TTD-run Aswini hospital[5].

Prominent among others who were present were included members of the committee –

  1. Kanimozhi,
  2. Raman Deka,
  3. Santosh Chowdary,
  4. Ravneet Singh,
  5. Neeraj Sekhar,
  6. TTD Executive Officer L.V. Subramanyam,
  7. JEO K.S. Srinivasa Raju,
  8. CVSO G.V.G. Ashok Kumar
  9. and others[6].

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs headed by BJP leader Venkaiah Naidu on Friday (November 12, 2012) expressed satisfaction over the security arrangements being made by the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) atop the sacred shrine of Lord Venakteswara. Talking to media persons, Mr. Naidu said that the committee has been visiting several important places in the country, including Tirumala, SHAR, and Kalpakkam to study the existing security mechanism at all the places. He said that the committee was also scheduled meet the top brass of the TTD officials, intelligence officials and the officials of the State Home Department on Saturday in Tirupati wherein issues relating to disaster management and security mechanism will be discussed. Besides this, the committee will also discuss issues relating to the marine security in the coastal belt apart from the proposal to bring Tirumala under the ‘no-fly’ zone category. The TTD authorities on their part explained to the team the various initiatives being adopted by the temple administration towards crowd management, queue system and the amenities being extended to pilgrims visiting Tirumala.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- viwing queue-2

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Kanimozhi had special darsham tirth, prasad and saree: There have been many official reports, videos of the TTD and TV channels, News reports in English and Telugu as to why she visited the temple, what she did and other details:

  1. Kanimozhi visited the Tirumala temple on November 12, 2012 as a part of a Home Affairs Committee, to inspect the security arrangements being made by the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD).
  2. She met the top brass of the TTD officials, intelligence officials and the officials of the State Home Department on Saturday in Tirupati wherein issues relating to disaster management and security mechanism.
  3. She verified the various initiatives being adopted by the temple administration towards crowd management, queue system and the amenities being extended to pilgrims visiting Tirumala.
  4. She had gone to Kalyanakatta where tonsure is made that involves hygiene and other issues. When two women member had symbolic tonsure, she was there and joined them.
  5. Went to Pushkarni to note the maintenance, refilling of water etc.
  6. She had special darshan of Sri Venkatswara, had tirth and prasadam. She also received a saree given by the TTD.
  7. Went to free-meals section, inspected the vessels for the cooking of food that is fed to thousands daily.
  8. Went to laddu counter, where, laddu and other prasadams were given free to her.
  9. She visited the temple to pray Sri Venkateswara to clear all problems, she was facing.

 

 

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- entering inside

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Kanimozhi crossing Vaikundam entry entrance….

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- way to Darshan

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Reaching “Way to Darshan”!!!!

What Kanimozhi spoke on 06-01-2018 at the WAC: From 12-11-2012 to 06-01-2018, what happened to he exposes her psyche.

What Kanimozhi talked Comments
 “If you give more money and buy a ticket you get special dharsanam [visit]. First of all, as an atheist, you should not have visited the temple.

As even when non-Hindus visit, they sign a form that I believe in Sri Venkateswara, you must have signed.

If not, Venkaiya Naidu should be held responsible for violating the norms.

As they went to inspect, evidently, they signed.

 If not, you stand for 10 hours, 20 hours or two days. That is god……… You should have waited, paid and went side, but, you enjoyed VVVVIP darshan! Shame, atheist, shame!!
That is Kanimozhi, the principle-less atheist, and thus,anti-Hindu!
He (accompanied MP) told me that all their wishes are being granted and they are being protected…I then asked him, there is a money collection box right in front of the god. Why is there a security personnel with a stun gun protecting it? The Telugu people explicitly answered that people like you might loot, that is why they stand with guns.

Moreover, as you had gone there to inspect the security aspects, you could not have made such idiotic statement!

People who run the temple are not confident that god can protect the money collection box. Why should I believe in god?”….. Shame on you, idiotic that we have MP like you and allowing you inside the temple.
Perhaps, you had gone inside to know the security arrangement to attack!
If that God does not protect, I say that God is not there….. Had you gone there to inspect the security aspects, or the existence of Go?

Your blabbering exposes your honesty, integrity and sincerity as a MP.

Thus, it is evident that by all means, the MP has lost her credibility and she should be stripped of MP post or she should resign immediately.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Annadhana

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Inspecting the “Free Meals – Prasad Hall”….

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Laddu counter-

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Posing for photo before “Annadhana Hall, building”

Kanimozhi-why you went to Tirumala

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Coming out………………….”If you do not believe……why you enter the temple, had darshan, taken tirth and prasad, the saree……………..prayed to him to remove your problems?”. The AP people openly revealed that she came here to pray “Venkayya” to relieve her from 2G case!

Cong MLC, P Sudhakar Reddy condemns Kani on 12-01-2018

Complaints made against Kanimozhi: The local BJP leaders led by former TTD Board member G Bhanu Prakash Reddy submitted a written complaint to Urban ASP Srinivasulu against DMK MP Kanimozhi here on Thursday, (11-01-2018) for hurting the religious beliefs of Hindus[7]. She made adverse comments on the Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala at a Tiruchi meeting in Tamil Nadu[8]. Rayalaseema Porata Samithi (RPS) convener P Naveen Kumar Reddy has condemned the DMK MP comments against the presiding deity of Tirumala. He demanded that the state government’s Endowments department take legal action against Kanimozhi. The RPS activists staged a dharna near Alipiri. Ironically, in Tamilnadu, the so-called Hindutwavadis, Sangh-parivar, BJPwalas and other “Hindus” have been keeping quite for unknown reasons. The foreign delegates and other responsible delegates who attended the WAC should take care of the facts.

© Vedaprakash

11-01-2018

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Laddu counter-

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[1] Scroll.in, Tamil Nadu: Complaint filed against DMK MP Kanimozhi for allegedly hurting religious beliefs, Published : 12-01-2018· 07:34 pm Updated 12-01-2018 · 07:58 pm.

[2] https://scroll.in/latest/864727/tamil-nadu-complaint-against-dmk-mp-kanimozhi-for-allegedly-hurting-religious-beliefs

[3] TheNewsMinute, Why does god need gunman to protect hundiyal?’: Kanimozhi’s speech rankles Hindu group, Priyanka Thirumurthy, Thursday, January 11, 2018 – 14:05.

[4] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-does-god-need-gunman-protect-hundiyal-kanimozhi-s-speech-rankles-hindu-group-74554

[5] The Hindu, Panel inspects security measures in Tirumala, TIRUMALA:, NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST; UPDATED: NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST. UPDATED: NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST

[6] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/panel-inspects-security-measures-in-tirumala/article4082515.ece

[7] THE HANS INDIA, Case against DMK MP for hurting religious beliefs, Jan 12, 2018 , 01:32 AM IST.

[8] http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2018-01-12/Case-against-DMK-MP-for-hurting-religious-beliefs/351590

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The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

January 12, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

WAC, Trichy - second day, paper presenters

The First Day paper reading session (05-01-2018): The WAC organizers kept the paper reading session inside and the public meetings open. The first day (05-01-2018) paper reading proceedings were held at Periyar Maniammai University campus, Vallam. On the theme, “Atheism – Hope for Humanity”, Three parallel sessions were held, where, 38 delegates participated and presented 28 papers. Of which 13 were taken for discussion.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-bald, looks north Indian

In first session, was conducted with Balwinder Barnala, Tarkkaasila Sangha, as chair-person and , Dr Samarasam, Vijyawada Atheist Centre, as moderator.

Kadesh Godherao, Maharastra Antastrata Nirmulam Samiti, read a paper on the topic, “Atheism is for the Progress of Humanity”.

Kumanarajan, editor of “Tamil Lemuria”, Mumbai presented a paper on “Threats of religious fundamentalism, Problems and Solutions.”

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-gold-spec-nald-white

In the second session was chaired by Prof Ilakkuvan, Director, Periyar Centre, USA and P. Sabasiva Rao, Treasurer, Telengana-Hyderabad Manava Vikasha Vedika, moderated.

Prof Sam George, American College, spoke on, “Atheism – Way of Life.” M. Govindasamy, Malaysia Dravidar Sangam, Kulalampur spoke on, “Dravidian Movement in Malaysia”.

Dr R. Gauthaman, Periyar Medical Mission, spoke on “Medicine and Atheism.”

However, most of the papers were of generalized, rehashing the already known details and targeting Hindu religion for superstition and so on. Emphasis was given for in between Peiyar and Dravidian movement. The atheist arguments had been against ontological, teleological, cosmological points, but, they could not put forward any new points. The age-old theist-atheist arguments on these lines have been too well-known to be repeated here.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with coat

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with white coat.

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, bald, white

Vijayan

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, bald

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, grey hair

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- Sikh

Balwinder Barnala

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-spec, shirt-half-coat

paper presenter

DK opposing Rajini-

Atheism versus Spirituality – debate started: Speakers propagating atheist philosophy slammed religious beliefs, especially in Hinduism, at the World Atheist Conference here on Friday (05-01-2018). The concept of spiritual politics espoused by superstar Rajinikanth also came in for sharp criticism. It is not known as to why Rajni’s politics should be attacked and criticized in the “World Atheist Conference”. Evidently, as Trichy has been strong base of Rajini’s fans and his political ambitions would erode the Dravidian polity and as well as the prospects of DMK, the WAC has been exploited to attack Rajini politics.  Though Rajini’s concept was much debated over the past few days, some speakers found it nascent and lacking clarity. However, Dravida Kazhagam leader K. Veeramani aid that people propagating ideology of spiritual politics would be exposed sooner than later. Speaking on the sidelines of the conference, he said spiritual politics was nothing but a tool that might be used to deceive people. Politics was in no way related to spirituality. Spiritual politics stressed on the existence of spirit which was called ‘Atma’. The aim of the conference was to counter the very existence of spirit through philosophical arguments. Those trying to mislead people in the name of spirit would be exposed soon, he said. Ironically, even the atheist religions like Jainism and Buddhism believed “Atma”, rebirth, etc.

WAC, Trichy, Kanimozhi

During public session, Rajinikantha’s “Spiritual Politics” attacked: Lakshman Tamil from Periyar International, USA said that those thinking about starting a political party in the state could not ignore Periyar or Dravidian movement for their brand value. He said that one could become popular in the state by invoking the name of Periyar. Lakshman recalled how his father had told him to be honest also when he expressed his wish to become an atheist like Thanthai periyar. Periyar had set high standards to be an atheist, he said. aking a jibe at Rajini, Dravidian Tamil Federation general secretary Suba Veerapandian said that a person had recently visited Gopalapuram (the residence of DMK leader M Karunanidhi) to seek his blessings[1]. But little did he know that he could only get rationalist lessons from the leader and not his blessings[2]. Rationalists and atheists had been criticising the actor for giving his political move a religious colour. Though Rajinikanth had come out in the open with a statement clarifying his stand, not many seemed to be convinced.

WAC-3, Times of India

“Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva”: Untouchability is the worst tyranny any part of the world has ever seen. So is the caste system. And these are practiced in the name of God, said Dravida Kazhagam leader K Veeramani here on Friday (05-01-2018). Speaking at the World Atheism Conference 2018 in Trichy, Veeramani said India is land of atheism, not temples. Atheism is not just the denial of religion, but denial of all superstitions associated with it too. He said atheism dated back to 1500 CE in our country. Lakshman Tamil, Periyar International, USA, said caste system is the bane of India and society cannot progress as long as this Vedic system exists. Hinduism cannot claim that it is all-encompassing until it disowns the Vedas, he said. Buddhism and Jainism moved away from people and lost their relevance[3]. The Dravidar Kazhagam has created a populous atheist movement and it is the true Shramana movement of the modern time in terms of the core philosophy of atheism, he said. Terming Periyar’s atheism the most relevant, Lakshman Tamil said it is also a populous movement. Its multifaceted nature has also contributed to its popularity. “Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva. People have to choose between Hindutva, which is a Vedic tradition that is based on hate and segregates people in the name of caste, and Dravidian philosophy, which preaches self-respect,” said Lakshman Tamil[4].

WAC-3, Times of India- attacking Rajini

2G-Raja spoke on his atheism in Tihar and outside: Former Union telecom minister A Raja started off by thanking the CBI and the CAG for making him popular worldwide in the 2G spectrum case. “Being an atheist since teenage, his belief in atheism strengthened further during his imprisonment in the Tihar jail when he saw prisoners, who included rapists and murderers, making a beeline to offer oil to a figure of Saturn (Shani). Hinduism was used as a tool by upper caste people to keep a majority section poor by denying them education. This is a country where people are divided in terms caste. And this notion is created by religion”, he said. As many as 500 papers on atheism are going to be presented in the conference that is going to last for 3 days.

WAC-3, The Hindu, 06-01-2016

The Second Day paper reading session (06-01-2018): The seconday paper reading session was held in Einstein Auditorium, for which K. Veeramani chaired and  Narendra Naik, President, Indian Federation of Rationalist Associations acted as moderator. Devadoss welcomed the speakers and delegates. Elizabeth O’ Cassey delivered a special lecture.

Thaneswar Sahu, Philosopher professor and President of Odhisha Rationalist Association spoke on “Science, Scientific thinking – A Perspective.”

  1. Raja Kennedy, Rationalist Teachers Forum, spoke on, “Encouraging Scientific temper amomg the children”.
  2. Ramasamy, Professor and Rationalist from Madurai, spoke on “Atheist-Humanist Fighters Periyar and Gora”.

Suvinnila, Vice-President, Rationalist Association gave vote of thanks. Here, also, the speakers had repeated the points. They always tried to take “Science” as weapon against religious beliefs and dub them as “Superstition,” but, they could not tackle the issue of “Scientific superstition,” prevalent exploiting the public under forced propaganda, dubious advertisements and aggressive marketing.

WAc,Kanimozhi speaks

Rationalists attacked, women treated badly by all religions- Kanimozhi: The evening seession was held at Puthur Periyar auditorium, Trichy as a public meeting, in which Kanimozhi, Tirumavalavan, C. Vijayan (Director, Vijayawada Rationalist Centre) spoke. Atheist and rationalists all around the world are under threat, said Rajya Sabha MP K Kanimozhi on the second day of the World Atheist Conference, organised by Dravidar Kazhagam in Trichy on Saturday (06-01-2018)[5]. She hoped the believers or religious minded attending the conference see the “………….true light of Periyar. The people who have congregated here are already atheist. Even then why we have gathered? Why do we have to preach ourselves when we have already converted? But we have to come together to show that we are together and what humanity means to the world ……. said no religion treats women equal to a man in every aspect, be it Hinduism, Christianity or Islam……………All religion says a woman has to obey a man. Women have been denied their rights in every religion. That was the reason Periyar denied all religion…………..There are reformers and feminist around the world who are fighting for women’s rights. I respect all of them, but there is one true feminist in this world and that is Periyar……………Religion is nothing but fear. How much blood has been shed, how many wars have been fought in this world because of religion?…………..God has never killed anyone for their wrongdoing and has remained a spectator. He would never act or react………….There is a threat for all atheists and rationalists around the world. To show our strength, we all should stand united and fight against hatred. Atheism and humanism are the only truths,” she said[6]. The Scroll.in just reproduced that TOI reported[7]. Irony that their correspondents, colunists or reporters could not add more than that TOI published[8].

© Vedaprakash

10-01-2018

WAC-3, Veeramani, Raja, Elizabeth

[1] Times of India, Atheists slam Rajinikanth’s spiritual politics, K Sambath Kumar| TNN | Jan 6, 2018, 08:37 IST

[2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/atheists-slam-rajinikanths-spiritual-politics/articleshow/62385950.cms

[3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/dravidian-philosophy-is-the-only-alternative-to-hindutva/articleshow/62386831.cms

[4] Times of India, ‘Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva’, TNN | Updated: Jan 6, 2018, 00:18 IST.

[5] Times of India, Rationalists under threat all over the world: Kanimozhi, TNN | Jan 7, 2018, 08:25 IST.

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/rationalists-under-threat-all-over-the-world-kanimozhi/articleshow/62397776.cms

[7] Scroll.in, Atheists and rationalists all over the world are under threat: DMK MP Kanimozhi, by  Scroll Staff, Published 07-01-2018, · 10:49 am

[8] https://scroll.in/latest/864115/atheists-and-rationalists-all-over-the-world-are-under-threat-dmk-mp-kanimozhi