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“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

November 30, 2015

“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

Happy to bleed - campaign against sabarimalai entry deenial to women

On November 24, 2015, I came across one “Happy to bleed” campaign started by one Nikita Azad in the Facebook.

So I have gone through their column, read all the postings, comments and responses, I posted my first comment briefly as follows:

I have carefully gone through the thread.

As usual, the comments have been drifting to different directions with the intruding varied opinion.

The prohibition of menstruating women to enter religious places, participate in Eucharist and rituals etc., has been there throughout the world among the

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and others, even today.

Therefore, hope you bleed more happily and reasonably with secularism.

 

Very often the so-called, modern, western, progressive, broad-minded, forward-looking, feminist, and other varieties of ideologists attack Hindu religion, beliefs, etc., under the guise of attacking certain practices, where, ironically, many non-Hindus participate happily. So I started responding and replying many, where, certain specific points were raised. They again and again stressed their point of “right to bleed” etc., with photos of girls holding sanitary napkins in their hands, menstrual blood soaking their jeans, holding menstrual blood in tubes, such blood falling on fingers…….with different comments!

Meena Kandasamy - God do not look between my legs okay

“GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY” have been the words of one “Meena Kandasamy”!

Happy to bleed - campaign - come and see the blood on my skirt

“Come and see blood on my skirt”, a red banner held by two girls and some girls standing around on the road!

Happy to bleed - campaign - priyanka Sharma and Aina Singh

Are your God would be seduced by women, if they enter?

What would happen if a woman enters with a pad?

Travelling Ayyappa baktas not behaving properly with women.

Janaki Venket How many of the men going to sabarimala actually follow the rules. I have seen many flaunting it! Travelled in a train once with a bunch of these men in black dress ogling at the ladies, passing comments & drinking in the night!

 ………………

I pointed out the propaganda of Muslims there proclaiming that Islam treats women ….gives rights and so on. When pointed out, in the context of menstruation, Islam does not allow women inside mosques, then, some accepted and retracted. Nikita also accepted mentioning my name and declared that they also against Islam, as they are involved in genital mutilation etc.

Happy to bleed campaigners - Sukhjeet Singh and Aman Jalwehra Singh

Two Sikhs holding placards also supported. I asked, “Tell me honestly, whether menstruating women are allowed in the Harmandarsahib”, they did not reply, but, some women responded, and clarified that the point is not that menstruating women are allowed inside mosques of Gurudwaras, but the entry of such women inside temples! So in India, though, women talk about the rights of women etc., they worry about Hindu women only in this way and they do not bother about non-Hindu women like Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc.!

Happy to bleed campaign - photo

However, she could relish with my responses and answers and therefore, come out as follows:

Friends, this is an IMPORTANT statement.

Many people are continuously trying to defame the campaign by irresponsibly raising religious quarrels, even after we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds. When we openly posted that we are against Muslim communities that practice female genital mutilation, and do not let men and women pray together, the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’, which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign. These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct. They wish to dictate in the manner of protest also.

Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens.

With only one day left for the social media campaign, we reject such irresponsible criticism, and urge everybody to share this message widely. Because till now we have launched a social media campaign only, and we are gifted with threats like stated, who knows what will happen when we take ground campaign.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign

Happy to bleed campaign - Nikita Azad accepts that now Islam also does not allow menstruating women inside mosques

Though, many things were not related to me, I responded point by point as follows:

As I have already mentioned that I have been reading your campaign column and responding not only to you, but also other campaigners. Through this comments, as you have unnecessarily have indulged in slandering me, through your remarks, “the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’”, I have to point out the following facts:

1.       The so-called “religious quarrels” have been going on in your campaign carried on by your Christian and Muslim friends, as could be noted from their accusing one particular religion, while appreciating their religious “goodness” and all (in fact, they are false, untruth and myth).

2.      we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds, bogey has come out now, obviously, as I started responding to those campaigners and you have also realized mentioning my name specifically in your reply. Ironically, now you want to “bleed with secularism”!

3.      which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign – As you, including all your campaigners, have indulged in such denigrating, disparaging with indecent depiction, portrayal of women etc., your are now trying to defend yourself, by saying all these things.

4.      any positive discussion – Perhaps, it is me who initiated positive discussion and that is why you have realized your mistake of attacking “one particular religion” and started, “we also condemn muslims……………………….” and so on. You also referred to my name in one discussion about “menstruating women entering mosques……………”

5.      These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct – what is this? What right you have to call me “brahmanical fundamentalist”, “fanatics” etc?

a.      What is your agenda?

b.      If you do not have guts to respond the points raised me, accept your inefficiency or yur ignorance about the subject matter discussed.

c.       Do not indulge in this type of attack.

d.      In fact, you get exposed yourself, the language you have been using.

6.      started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc – Yes, I recorded as follows:

“I am 65, with much anxiety only I have been responding to you and your friends of this campaigning.

You could note that I have been pointing the facts about ‘menstruating women entering the places of worship’.

But you have decided to attack only Sabarimalai movement.

Moreover, when the reporters ask such mischievous questions as to how you check the women entering, only he responded.

Perhaps, you might have known about the case of Jaymala actress who entered the temple.

Today, internet is viewed by children, boys and girls therefore, definitely, some amount of decency and decorum is required in depicting pictorially or otherwise.

7.      Though the other comments are not directed against me, Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens”…………., etc, I want to point out, that Newtons’s third law only worked here! To cite one example, that photo “GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY”

8.     I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS – so now, you say this! But your entire campaign has been against the temple, temple authorities, customs and practices, beliefs etc. So now you are afraid of some legal action for your defaming, disparaging, denigrating……………..campaign?

9.      Oh campaigners, be calm, relaxed and thing about everything.  I hope most of you are young girls and women studying in schools and colleges with a lot of hopes and ambitions in your minds. So concentrate in your studies, instead of indulging in such campaigns, as such acts would make you imbibed wih ideology, as prompted by Nikita Azad – RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign.

10.  So, now only after all drum-beating, she has realized that, “That will actually improve the campaign.” Great on Friday, that is the last day of your campaign.

I wish MOTHER GODDESS would bless all of you with all prosperity and good future!

Vedaprakash

27-11-2015.

For this, she could not respond, but, banned me from participating in the campaign expressing views, questioning their way and methodology of the campaign. So, this has become my last response.

Ironically, they talk about rights of freedom of thinking, expression, speech and so on, but when others come to think, express or talk, they ban!

What type of attitude is this?

Is this, the way of having dialogue or group discussion?

Is this the mode of exhibiting their tolerance?

I understand that she has extended the campaign till December 4, 2015!

Vedaprakash

30-11-2015.

International Conferences on Mahabharat held at Tirupati and Vedic Workshop at Kozikode – contrasted in the Indian context – 2014

January 13, 2014

International Conferences on Mahabharat held at Tirupati and Vedic Workshop at Kozikode – contrasted in the Indian context – 2014

The sixth international Vedic workshop

The sixth international Vedic workshop

International Conferences on Mahabharat held at Tirupati and Vedic Workshop at Kozikode: The sixth international Vedic workshop [hereinafter mentioned as SIVW for brevity] was held in Kozhiokode from January 7 to 10 2014 and the international conference on Mahabharata [mentioned as ICMB] in Tirupati from 7th to 11th 2014. As the former had attracted Sanskrit and Veda researchers and writers from universities across the world[1] with 111 delegates, the latter attracted more than 600 registered delegates with paper presentation. Besides theoretical deliberations, Veda chanting had been a special feature of the workshop, event coordinator Vinod Bhattathiripad and programme core committee members M.G.S. Narayanan, former chairman Indian Council of Historical Research (ICHR), and P. Bhaskaran Nayar of Lincoln University, U.K., said at a press conference in Kozhikode on Saturday (04-01-2014). The workshop began with chanting of Rigveda by Parvathy, who the organisers said, was the only female Rigveda chanter in Kerala. However, there have been many Hindu women chanting Vedic mantras living in India even today. But, an impression has been created that women should not read or are not allowed to read Vedas. The ICMB was inaugurated with the presence and blessings of the following:

  1. Sri Jayendra Saraswathi, pontiff of Sri Kanchi Kamakoti Peetam,
  2. S.A.R.P.V. Chaturvedi, founder of Sri Ramanuja Mission Trust and
  3. Kandukuri Sivananda Murty, Saiva mutt.

The first three postings of the conference have been posted under captions as follows and their internet links are given in the footnotes:

  1. The proceedings of the international conference on Mahabharatam held at Tirupati from 7th to 11th January 2014[2].
  2. The International conference on Mahabharatam held at Tirupati from 7th to 11th January 2014 – the proceedings (2)[3].
  3. The Mahabharatam conference concluded at Tirupati on 11th January 2014 that started on 7th – the proceedings (3)[4].
The sixth international Vedic workshop -Gateway Hotel

The sixth international Vedic workshop -Gateway Hotel

The Gateway Hotel and Vishnu Nivasam: While the delegates of SIVW stayed at the five star hotel, the delegates of ICMB were accommodated at the Vishnu Nilayam comfortably. The registration / delegate fees was Rs. 6,000/- for SIVW (four days)[5] and Rs. 1,500/- for ICMB (five days). SIVW was the first international Vedic workshop to be hosted by India, as claimed by the organizers, but Indians wonder as to why such claim should have been made, as if India hosts now. The other Vedic workshops were held at[6]

  1. Harvard University, USA (in 1989, organized by Prof. Michael Witzel),
  2. Kyoto University, Japan (in 1999, organized by Prof. Y. Ikari),
  3. Leiden University, The Netherlands (in 2002, organized by Prof. J. Houben and Prof. A. Griffith),
  4. University of Texas, Austin, USA (in 2007, organized by Prof. P. Olivelle and Prof. J. Brereton), and
  5. Centre for Eurasiatic and Afroasiatic Studies (CEAS), Bucharest, Romania (in 2011, organized by Prof. J. Rotaru).

The ICMB was organized by the Oriental Research Institute (ORI) of Sri Venkateswara University and Tirupati Tirumala Devasthanams (TTD). The Vedic workshop in Kozhikode reportedly focused on Vedic texts and rituals, scholarly interpretations of Vedic texts, Vedic traditions of Kerala, and the recent resurgence of interest in the Vedas in the West. While 14 scholars from universities and research institutes in the U.S. and 12 from Japan had confirmed participation, five Vedic experts were expected from France and four each from Germany and the United Kingdom[7], thus the press went on reporting. On the other hand, ICMB provided space to students, research scholars, Vedic experts, researchers and Indologists.

Wooden utensils used in Vedic rituals

Wooden utensils used in Vedic rituals

The details given by the SIVW website: The workshop committee members comprised the following:

  1. Prof. M. Witzel (University of Harvard, USA)
  2. Prof. Shrikant Bahulkar, Pune, India
  3. Prof. Yasuke Ikari, Kyoto University, Japan
  4. Prof. Julita Rotaru, Centre for Eurasiatic and Afroasiatic Studies (CEAS), Bucharest, Romania

The core committee members were as follows:

  1. Dr. P. Bhaskaran Nayar, Lincoln University, UK
  2. Prof. M. G. S. Narayanan, Former Chairman, Indian Council of Historical Research
  3. Prof. C. M. Neelakantan, Former Professor (Veda), Sree Sankaracharya  University of Sanskrit, Kerala, India
  4. Prof. C. Rajendran, Professor (Sanskrit), University of Calicut, Kerala, India
  5. Dr. P. Vinod Bhattathiripad, Chief Co-ordinator, www.namboothiri.com

Advisors to the core committee were –

  1. Prof. Cezary Galewicz, Professor, University of Krakow, Poland
  2. Prof. T. P. Mahadevan, Professor, Howard University, USA

It appears that these committees are just like any other conference to control the proceedings, as I have been noting for more than 40 years after attending many national and international conferences. The program details of SIVW are available here[8].

Kozhiokode and Tirupati: To quote Elst, “Kozhikode (Calicut), Kerala, India. This is the town where Vasco da Gama first landed in 1498, thus starting the colonial entreprise in Asia”, whereas Tirupati has been a place of pilgrimage centre where all categories of Indians used to come for darshan of Sri Venkateswara. Of course, the Portuguese colonialists tried to loot this temple also as per the recordings of othe non-Indian sources. The University of Calicut, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi, and IIT Kanpur sponsored their scholars to the conference. Delegates from the University of Michigan also attended. The    Chief coordinator of the conference Dr Vinod Bhattathiripad told Deccan Chonicle that 15 delegates from various universities in the country would present papers. Only 80 papers were accepted by the committee[9], implying that papers were also rejected, but the grounds not known. The major universities sent the delegates at their own expenses reducing the financial burden of the organizers, he said. But, in a poor country like India, when the organizers had already decided to host “Vedic workshop” in five star hotels, how the question of “financial burden” plays a role is intriguing. The organizers decided to conduct the workshop in the country of Vedas where the spirit is still alive to provide an ‘on ground’ experience of Vedic practice and direct interaction with practicing scholars, he added.  In Tirupati, more than 600 papers were presented accommodating students, research scholars, Vedic experts, researchers and Indologists.

Indians do not know Michael Witzel but Veda Vyasa: The views of Koenald Elst, one of the delegates can be read here[10]. His comments are interesting[11] for Indians in contrast to what other non-Indians who write about Indian issues. His pointed out that “……….Michael Witzel, Wales professor of Sanskrit at Harvard. For quite some time now I have taken my distance from the counterproductive Hindu habit of treating him as a hate figure”. Good, but 99% of the Hindus do not know about Koenald / Koenraad Elst or Michael Wizel and therefore, it is surprising to know about “Hindu habit of treating him as hate figure”. As I was attending the International conference on Mahabharatam at Tirupati, I could not attend, but I was mentioning about him with many Sanskrit Pundits, scholars and professors from the Universities of Baroda, Pune, Calcutta, Tiruvanathapuram, Andhra, Madras, Pondicherry etc. Of 100, only few – two   from Chennai, one from AP and another from Pondicherry know him. Ironically none of the Sanskrit Pundits, scholars and professors responded that they do not know him even after showing his photograph!

OIT, AIT and Indians: As OIT and AIT were dominating the SIVW, they were also haunting and daunting sizeable modern students and researchers of ICMB. However, ICMB  papers have been affected ideologically with political influence and compulsion, though in person they do not agree with such Aryan-Dravidian dichotomy. As now the knowledge is open and accessible to all through modern gadgetry, and they could come to their own conclusions, no lecturing, tutoring or propaganda affects them. In that way, it appears the scholars, experts and Pundits of SIVW have been still under the clutches of OIT and AIT controlling their thought processes.

(To be concluded


[1] The special correspondent, Scholars to attend Vedic workshop, The Hindu dated January 5, 2014, Kozhikode edition