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“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

November 30, 2015

“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

Happy to bleed - campaign against sabarimalai entry deenial to women

On November 24, 2015, I came across one “Happy to bleed” campaign started by one Nikita Azad in the Facebook.

So I have gone through their column, read all the postings, comments and responses, I posted my first comment briefly as follows:

I have carefully gone through the thread.

As usual, the comments have been drifting to different directions with the intruding varied opinion.

The prohibition of menstruating women to enter religious places, participate in Eucharist and rituals etc., has been there throughout the world among the

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and others, even today.

Therefore, hope you bleed more happily and reasonably with secularism.

 

Very often the so-called, modern, western, progressive, broad-minded, forward-looking, feminist, and other varieties of ideologists attack Hindu religion, beliefs, etc., under the guise of attacking certain practices, where, ironically, many non-Hindus participate happily. So I started responding and replying many, where, certain specific points were raised. They again and again stressed their point of “right to bleed” etc., with photos of girls holding sanitary napkins in their hands, menstrual blood soaking their jeans, holding menstrual blood in tubes, such blood falling on fingers…….with different comments!

Meena Kandasamy - God do not look between my legs okay

“GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY” have been the words of one “Meena Kandasamy”!

Happy to bleed - campaign - come and see the blood on my skirt

“Come and see blood on my skirt”, a red banner held by two girls and some girls standing around on the road!

Happy to bleed - campaign - priyanka Sharma and Aina Singh

Are your God would be seduced by women, if they enter?

What would happen if a woman enters with a pad?

Travelling Ayyappa baktas not behaving properly with women.

Janaki Venket How many of the men going to sabarimala actually follow the rules. I have seen many flaunting it! Travelled in a train once with a bunch of these men in black dress ogling at the ladies, passing comments & drinking in the night!

 ………………

I pointed out the propaganda of Muslims there proclaiming that Islam treats women ….gives rights and so on. When pointed out, in the context of menstruation, Islam does not allow women inside mosques, then, some accepted and retracted. Nikita also accepted mentioning my name and declared that they also against Islam, as they are involved in genital mutilation etc.

Happy to bleed campaigners - Sukhjeet Singh and Aman Jalwehra Singh

Two Sikhs holding placards also supported. I asked, “Tell me honestly, whether menstruating women are allowed in the Harmandarsahib”, they did not reply, but, some women responded, and clarified that the point is not that menstruating women are allowed inside mosques of Gurudwaras, but the entry of such women inside temples! So in India, though, women talk about the rights of women etc., they worry about Hindu women only in this way and they do not bother about non-Hindu women like Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc.!

Happy to bleed campaign - photo

However, she could relish with my responses and answers and therefore, come out as follows:

Friends, this is an IMPORTANT statement.

Many people are continuously trying to defame the campaign by irresponsibly raising religious quarrels, even after we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds. When we openly posted that we are against Muslim communities that practice female genital mutilation, and do not let men and women pray together, the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’, which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign. These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct. They wish to dictate in the manner of protest also.

Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens.

With only one day left for the social media campaign, we reject such irresponsible criticism, and urge everybody to share this message widely. Because till now we have launched a social media campaign only, and we are gifted with threats like stated, who knows what will happen when we take ground campaign.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign

Happy to bleed campaign - Nikita Azad accepts that now Islam also does not allow menstruating women inside mosques

Though, many things were not related to me, I responded point by point as follows:

As I have already mentioned that I have been reading your campaign column and responding not only to you, but also other campaigners. Through this comments, as you have unnecessarily have indulged in slandering me, through your remarks, “the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’”, I have to point out the following facts:

1.       The so-called “religious quarrels” have been going on in your campaign carried on by your Christian and Muslim friends, as could be noted from their accusing one particular religion, while appreciating their religious “goodness” and all (in fact, they are false, untruth and myth).

2.      we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds, bogey has come out now, obviously, as I started responding to those campaigners and you have also realized mentioning my name specifically in your reply. Ironically, now you want to “bleed with secularism”!

3.      which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign – As you, including all your campaigners, have indulged in such denigrating, disparaging with indecent depiction, portrayal of women etc., your are now trying to defend yourself, by saying all these things.

4.      any positive discussion – Perhaps, it is me who initiated positive discussion and that is why you have realized your mistake of attacking “one particular religion” and started, “we also condemn muslims……………………….” and so on. You also referred to my name in one discussion about “menstruating women entering mosques……………”

5.      These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct – what is this? What right you have to call me “brahmanical fundamentalist”, “fanatics” etc?

a.      What is your agenda?

b.      If you do not have guts to respond the points raised me, accept your inefficiency or yur ignorance about the subject matter discussed.

c.       Do not indulge in this type of attack.

d.      In fact, you get exposed yourself, the language you have been using.

6.      started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc – Yes, I recorded as follows:

“I am 65, with much anxiety only I have been responding to you and your friends of this campaigning.

You could note that I have been pointing the facts about ‘menstruating women entering the places of worship’.

But you have decided to attack only Sabarimalai movement.

Moreover, when the reporters ask such mischievous questions as to how you check the women entering, only he responded.

Perhaps, you might have known about the case of Jaymala actress who entered the temple.

Today, internet is viewed by children, boys and girls therefore, definitely, some amount of decency and decorum is required in depicting pictorially or otherwise.

7.      Though the other comments are not directed against me, Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens”…………., etc, I want to point out, that Newtons’s third law only worked here! To cite one example, that photo “GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY”

8.     I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS – so now, you say this! But your entire campaign has been against the temple, temple authorities, customs and practices, beliefs etc. So now you are afraid of some legal action for your defaming, disparaging, denigrating……………..campaign?

9.      Oh campaigners, be calm, relaxed and thing about everything.  I hope most of you are young girls and women studying in schools and colleges with a lot of hopes and ambitions in your minds. So concentrate in your studies, instead of indulging in such campaigns, as such acts would make you imbibed wih ideology, as prompted by Nikita Azad – RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign.

10.  So, now only after all drum-beating, she has realized that, “That will actually improve the campaign.” Great on Friday, that is the last day of your campaign.

I wish MOTHER GODDESS would bless all of you with all prosperity and good future!

Vedaprakash

27-11-2015.

For this, she could not respond, but, banned me from participating in the campaign expressing views, questioning their way and methodology of the campaign. So, this has become my last response.

Ironically, they talk about rights of freedom of thinking, expression, speech and so on, but when others come to think, express or talk, they ban!

What type of attitude is this?

Is this, the way of having dialogue or group discussion?

Is this the mode of exhibiting their tolerance?

I understand that she has extended the campaign till December 4, 2015!

Vedaprakash

30-11-2015.

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Dignified dress, Indian women, Media’s role and the apology of the MP who pleaded for the cause!

August 9, 2014

Dignified dress, Indian women, Media’s role and the apology of the MP who pleaded for the cause!

TDP PMs remarks about the dress of Indian women

TDP PMs remarks about the dress of Indian women

Murli Mohan Maganti Telugu Desam Party MP, while discussing on the safety of women, opined his views about wearing decent dress. The media reported it as follows:

·         Deccan Chronicle says[1], “TDP member Murali Mohan ‘advises’ women to dress properly, sparks controversy………….”;

·         Zee News declares[2], “TDP MP makes sexist remark in Parliament, later apologises”, While none of the media either print or electronic has given the full version of what was read in the Parliament, most of the media mentioned only part of the following line picked up from his speech, as if he talked something nonsence or serious or sexist comments as interpreted, “……to uphold the tradition of our Indian culture, I would earnestly appeal to all my sisters, daughters and girls to dress dignifiedly,”

·         The Business Standard added the following[3], “I would appeal to brothers to treat every woman as his own family member,” he said. “This would be a tribute to mother India.”

·         Odhisha Times also carried these sentences[4].

·         IBNlive says[5], “TDP MP makes sexist remarks in Lok Sabha, says women should dress in a ….”. India Today has its version[6].

·         Deccan Chronicle[7] agains came with that “Twitterati slams TDP MP Murali Mohan Maganti over his women remark”.

The reporter was virtually forcing him to react: The conversation between the TV reporter and the MP appeared dramatic, as a viewer could not understand what was wrong in the speech of the MP.

Sir, you said like that, can you define what do you mean by “dignified dress”?

I read agaid what I read in the Parliament, re-read from the paper in his hands as follows:: “I endlessly appeal to daughters, sisters and girls of the country to dress in a dignified way and uphold the tradition of Indian culture. I appeal to my brothers to treat every girl as a family member and treat her with respect. This will be a great tribute to Mother India. India has had a special place across the world for its culture.” Here, what is offending, indecent and shocking to women is intriguing.

Indian women dress comments apology etc

Indian women dress comments apology etc

Dignified dress means Indian dress and not modern.

Can you say that modern dress is not dignified?

Nodded in affirmative.

But, your comments are not offending women?

If offending, I wittdraw them?

But, the women are offended.

If my comments are bothering them, I apololize to them.

Shobha Oza, the President of All India Women Congress (AIWC) responded sas usual that the men were trying to advice about the dress and all and that was not necessary.

Criticism of the statement made by the TDP MP: The Women’s rights activists and women political leaders called the statement really immature.

Actor and YSRC politician Roja said that Mr Murali Mohan was making big and intellectual statements though he had been an actor all his life.

“What does he mean by dignified?: A sari exposes more than a jeans with a t-shirt. It is up to a woman what she wants to wear. Being a hero and a producer, what drove him to make such a comment? He is a full time commercial hero and this shows double standards. He is simply making big and intellectual statements, whereas his movies have portrayed much more stuff.”

Social media too poked fun at the actor-turned MP. Netizens questioned what he meant by the term “dignified” and asked why rapes of minor girls were being reported in the country.

Displaying a medieval mindset: Shabbir kD þ@shabbirkd wrote: “Our MPs are displaying a medieval mindset. No wonder they cannot protect our women.”

An extra inch of visible flesh causes them to rape..!!: aastha chauhan þ@aasthachauhan27: “Really..? An extra inch of visible flesh causes them to rape..!! Well, this is more an insult to MEN than women…”

better rules & regulations & respect for women, not lectures:  Siva Kumar Raju þ@iamsivaji: “Does he really care about women? if he did, he might have demanded better rules & regulations & respect for women, not lectures

MP does not stand up against such sexism: MnM þ@McSpare: “If our elected women MPs will not stand up against such sexism in the Lok Sabha who else will?”

Should women opt for designing dress?: Afaq Alam Ansari þ@Afaq_404: “Should opt for designing dresses for women if they show their incompetence as MP by stating such comments.”

If man can wear anything, why not women?: Indi Patriot þ@theindipatriot: A sari is so much more peek a boo than a full t-shirt and jeans…but then they say a man sees what he wants to.”

Dress should not be obscene: Jeevitha Rajashekar, former actor and BJP leader said, “It is completely a personal choice of women. We know how to dress decently. He should not say that they should not wear modern clothes. He did not follow what he said in his acting carrier. I believe that every person should wear what they are comfortable in and it should not be obscene be it either men or women.”

The comments were idiocy: Vasanth Kannabiran, Founder member, Asmita Collective for Women said, “This is pure idiocy. It is very troubling on how this whole thing is going on about women and their way of living. Are they trying to go back in the dark ages? The MP needs to go back and get some education. Does he even know about equality? What are his qualifications? He is thinking 60-years backward. They should be penalised for speaking like this as this is directed to a whole bunch of people. How do these people talk with such insensitive and casual attitude? They know they can get away with it and more than half will agree with what he said. But, if one is punished, the next will learn. This is total impunity.”

What the responses show: If the responses are put together, the following points draw attention.

  1. What does he mean by dignified?
  2. Displaying a medieval mindset
  3. An extra inch ofvisible flesh causes them to rape..!!
  4. better rules & regulations & respect for women, not
  5. MP does not stand up against such sexism
  6. Should women opt for designing dress?
  7. If man can wear anything, why not women?
  8. Dress should not be obscene.
  9. The comments were idiocy.

No doubt, girls, young ladies and women have every right to wear any dress of their choice or othyerwise and none could advise them. As for as the mode of dress in the context of rape, many times, some police officers, women activists and others have come up with the idea of “women wearing decent dress”. But every time, they have been questioned, objected to and pressurize to change their opinion by the media. Here also the MP has expressed his views very politely, carefully and sensitively with all respect to women. Yet, the media played it differently and the activists responded in its line. One has to wait and see, who would be the real gainder in such sensitive issues affecting the honour of Indian women.

Critics do not offer positive or constructiove criticium or ideas, but other critics are condemned: At one side conservative, moderate and conventional views, responses and opinions have always been condemned, criticized and even disparaged. The aggressive criticism agains them has been so severe that even others have been silenced to opine asbout the issue. Many times their voices are silenced or the opinions edited and suppressed. However, the criticizers have not come out with any ideas to curb the menace of raping of women in India. Particularly, in the context of Meerut, a communal factor is found and it affects the thinking processes of all. Moreover, such phenomena is also associated with some global portent factors, it is downplayed or distracted and diverted also. The disease is not pathologically analyzed, but the commentators are attacked, observers threatened and critics silenced.

Vedaprakash

08-08-2014

[1] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140807/nation-current-affairs/article/tdp-mp-murali-mohan-advises-women-mps-dress-properly

[2] http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/tdp-mp-makes-sexist-remark-in-parliament-later-apologises_953197.html

[3] http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/tdp-mp-asks-women-to-dress-in-dignified-manner-114080701582_1.html

[4] http://odishasuntimes.com/78109/tdp-mp-asks-women-dress-dignified-manner/

[5] http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-mp-makes-sexist-remarks-in-lok-sabha-says-women-should-dress-in-a-dignified-way/490867-37.html

[6] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/tdp-mps-sexist-remark-sparks-storm-in-parliament/1/376030.html

[7] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140808/nation-current-affairs/article/twitterati-slams-tdp-mp-murali-mohan-maganti-over-his-women