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Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop! What about Oakism working against “Hindu cause”? It should stop immediately!

July 8, 2019

Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop! What about Oakism working against “Hindu cause”? It should stop immediately!

Fight among the right

Why rightist historian Aravindan Neelakandan attacks another rightist historian?: Aravindan Neelakandan is considered as right-wing intellectual, Hindutwavadi and “hitorian” for RSS. He is often invited by the Sangha Parivar organization to talk about various topics. The Hindutwa websites[1] of various categories praise him as “savior of Hinduism” and so on. He has exhibited certain type of “anti-brahmin” attitude thrugh his writings in social media. Wikipedia mentions him characteristically[2], as he “… is an Indian writer. He… belongs to the post-socialist Indian thinkers of cultural evolutionism about Indian ethnogenesis.” Some of Hindutwavadis have started criticizing him also[3]. However, he has not been seen in any history Congress of published any research paper. Last year, he was seen with Dr Venkata Ragotham[4], Dean of  School of Social Sciences and International Studies during the PondyLifest 2018, discussing “Aryans, Dravidians and Indians: Future of India”. However, as a researcher or as “historian” did not follow any methodology, but, talked very generally[5]. If any one listens to him carefully, his own way “okism” could be noted easily, as he did not give any historical evidence. For some reason, it is evident that he has been targeting P. N. Oak. In December 2017, when there was a criticizing article on P. N. Oak[6], immediately, he came out with his attack[7], of course referring to it. So, now, in 2019, when he wrote like this, I was provoked very much for his bias.

Michael, Venkat, AV, Sankara Narayan

He does not know the difference between wall painting and sculpture: He wrote in “Swarajya,” as follows:

Recently there has been a lot of sensation in the media over the speculation made by a a team from an organization called Ayodhya Shodh Sansthan linking a sculpted mural in a rock cliff in Iraq to Ramayana. The expedition was accompanied by among others, Indian ambassador to Iraq, Pradeep Singh Rajpurohit. If at all, he has to criticize, he should have criticized this “Ayodhya Shodh Sansthan” for going there, with government funds to promote such “okism,” as dubbed by him. But, without knowing the difference between wall painting and sculpture, he pounced upon P. N. Oak and criticized Prof Sharad Hebalkar.

Naturally the media reported this news and many Hindutvaites have been happy to see an old fantasy of a world Vedic empire getting vindicated — the fantasy of the P N Oak type[8].

Disparaging P. N.Oak: He continued, “This fantasy of a world-wide Vedic empire is a consistent weakness in the worldview of certain Hindutvaites. P N Oak — an ex-INA freedom fighter turned ‘historian’ — had a life-long obsession to prove that Vedic Dharma once existed throughout the world. Soon many claims were made, many of them laughable but not for those who  considered them to be true. [9].

Thus Jerusalem was Yadhusailam, Canterbury was Skandapuri, Vatican was Vadika – a city of gardens, Incas were Ishvaku, Aztecs were Aastikas and California was Kapila-Aaranya. In fact, these, Hindutwavadis were appreciating and supporting P. N. Oak. Ironically, lectures were arranged in IIT etc., by the Sangha people. Used and exploited his books, but, now, he attacks him!

 “We see what we love to see. Consider the following picture. What is shown here is a purported artistic depiction of a stele of the pre-Colombian era from Guatemala.

Sharad Hebralkar book

Picture – An artistic depiction of a stele from Gautemala (L), Cover of a book by Sharad Hebalkar (R)

Dr Sharad Hebalkar, BISS: He continued, “The publication I have before me — Dr Sharad Hebalkar’s Essays on History of Pre-Columbian America — claims that this is actually a depiction of Ganesa — notice the trunk in the face — and Siva, His father in the sky. However, if one looks at these particular types of steles, which are quite abundant in the pre-Colombian sculptures of South America, one can see that it is not so”.

Sharad Hebralkar book-2

Picture – The variations of the same theme in steles and a close-up of one. The ‘artistic depiction’ is a clear misreading or an example of ‘seeing what one wants to see’ fallacy

Still if one wants, s/he can claim that the stele actually shows Bhagiratha and the Ganga with Siva getting it to the earth through His matted hair. Or one — deluded to the brim of his cranium with ‘Ancient Aliens’ serial — can also claim that it actually shows extra-terrestrial origins of our civilizations. All these are actually nothing but archaeological Rorschach figures. Taken out of their archaeological, historical and cultural contexts, these artifacts get interpreted from the historical and cultural contexts of the interpreter. Perhaps, he would not have read Waddell, Mackanzie, Chamanlal etc., leave alone P. N. Oak. So why he targets Oak and leaves others? This is intriguing…….His way of reducing them to “archaeological Rorschach figures” is amusing. Recently, Ganapati Stapati also brought out a book repeating the same ideas on his own. Thus, obvious, the main point that Oak had dealt with other issues, had been the “myth of Jesus Christ”! So this affects him?

Christianity, Krishna Niti, P N Oak

In the case of the ‘Rama and Hanuman’ mural the same fallacy has happened. It is at best a sculptural Rorschach. In this context, let it be said that it was a person using the Twitter handle of @TrueIndology — whose account has yet again been suspended by Twitter — who publicized and punctured the so-called Rama connection by pointing out that it was actually an ‘Akkadian warrior tramping a defeated Hurrian while another Hurrian begs’.

Rama, AV, twitter

– Picture- Tweet referring to what @TrueIndology had said about the Rama-Hanuman mural discovered in Iraq.

By building elaborate ancient world histories based on such illusions, we are undermining a more important, serious cause that Hindutva should serve.

In a way, the Hindu civilization is the last standing civilization that has a natural religion. Everywhere in the world the aboriginal natural religions along with the pagan religions of the West have been destroyed or are undergoing destruction. From the Yazidis to the Australian aborigines to the native American tribes, the destruction effected has been colossal.

However, these cultures need not have been derived from the Vedic culture to be protected. They have to be protected because they represent human diversity and validate the spiritual unity of humanity through theo-diversity. In fact ‘unity in diversity’ is the basis of  Hindutva.

And hindered spiritual communities have looked at India — naturally and spontaneously for their protection — for validating them. Let us consider, for example, Umbanda, an African religion from Brazil. The communities practicing this spiritual tradition claim that their tradition can be traced back to the sacred Aum of Hindu Dharma. Here, what is at play is not as much a historical fact, as a realization of spiritual kinship with the natural religion of India. Thus, India becomes the protectress of the world’s natural and aboriginal spirituality.

Aztec, honoured by RSS head

Picture – The Elders’ Conferences conducted to preserve global theo-diversity and natural spiritual traditions by the Sangh has its roots in the vision and wisdom of Ram Swarup.

Keonraad Elst

Historical (and often) pseudo-claims of a Vedic world civilization: He continued, “Incidentally, the Sangh realizes this. It has been conducting conferences of ‘World Elders’ belonging to various indigenous traditions. Dr Koenraad Elst traces the spiritual inspiration for this series of events to the deep thinker and magnificent Hindutva intellectual, Ram Swarup (1920-1998). Yashwant Pathak, the co-founder of the International Center for Cultural Studies (ICCS) — along with Prof S W Bakhle — acknowledges that Ram Swarup was one of the inspirations. Ram Swarup, rather than claiming a common historical origin (with India being that origin), anticipated a grand spiritual validation of the theo-diversity of human species. He embraced both monotheism and polytheism with his roots in the Vedic dictum of ‘unity without sacrificing the diversity’.

As against this, the approach through historical (and often) pseudo-claims of a Vedic world civilization for uniting the natural spiritual traditions of the world is bound to fail. His speech at PondyLitFest 2018 on inculturation, Hindu religion etc., have been amusing in the context. Yes, like a politician, he talks and writes differently! So he has no right to criticize Oak or Sharad Hebalkar.

He concluded as follows: “What is more important in Iraq today is to network with the Yazidis and provide them the comfort that there is a cousin spiritual tradition and people supporting them rather than inventing the footprints of Rama in Iraq”.

Pre Christian Buddhism

What is going on among the Hindutwavadis?: Nowadays, the open accusation, blaming and fighting with each other by the Hindutwavadis, cadres etc., have been open in Tamilnadu. Each person or group tries to project him/herself with their group / groups with vested interests. Of course, the power, money and business interests affect them to get exposed at one level. However, when they claim that they work for “Hindu cause,” that is becoming a myth. Ironically, many directly and indirectly work for Christians and Mohammedans too. Politicization of the cadres has corrupted them with extra-ideological interests. Particularly, in the social media and the functions conducted without informing all, but, known afterwards, expose the hidden agenda. As still thousands have been working for the cause, sincerely and honestly, the facts comes out one day. Therefore, talking, writing and behaving differently a different forums, stages and gatherings would harm not only the “Hindu cause,” but also their integrity, because of such duplicity practiced.

P N Oak

To understand P. N. Oak (1917-2007): He has been exploited by the Hindutwa groups, right-wing cadres and BJPwalas like anything. His books on “Taj Mahal” are still quoted today. Many Hindutwa researchers and writers and websites, freely use his writings, findings and materials without mentioning his name. To understand the fact, the lengthy article on him should be read[10]. His association with Netaji and Savarkar could be noted and appreciated[11]. However, the criticism started perhaps from Koenraad Elst[12] has been picked up by others. Later, he used the expression[13] “okism.” Many of his books can be downloaded from here[14]. As for as his historiography is concerned, his methodology was accepted till 1960s, as at that time, the etymological interpretation was accepted and after correlation and corroboration with the archaeological and other evidences were carried on. Therefore, the exploitation of his books and rejection by the right-wing groups cannot be considered as rational or otherwise. Hindus should have unity and co-operation in all aspects. If power, money and such other factors could divide them, the, there is no meaning in their category and other ideological groups.

© Vedaprakash

07-07-2019

[1] The persons who maintain the website http://www.tamilhindu.com/ have mutual interest with him in other aspects.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravindan_Neelakandan

[3] The Rational Hindu, The limitations of Aravindan Neelakandan and why he should keep to his expertise, Sep 18, 2017.

https://therationalhindu.com/the-limitations-of-aravindan-neelakandan-and-why-he-should-keep-to-his-expertise-329f409764a2

[4] Dr Venkata Raghotam is supposed to be a ABVP leader with rightwing ideology. http://www.pondiuni.edu.in/profile/dr-venkata-raghotham

[5] This video exposes the stand of Michael Danino, Venkata Ragotham, A. Neelakandan and Sankara Narayanan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWkwDsBYX8g

[6] Roderick Matthews, In the Beginning was Sanskrit. Really? , Open essay, 15 December 2017; http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/essay/in-the-beginning-was-sanskrit-really

[7] Aravindan Neelakandan, Tarring Hindutva With The Oak Brush, by Swarajya, Dec 21, 2017, 4:42 pm;  https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/tarring-hindutva-with-the-oak-brush

[8] Aravindan Neelakandan, Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop!, by Jun 28, 2019, 12:59 pm

[9] https://swarajyamag.com/culture/sri-rama-in-iraq-this-pnoak-like-obsession-should-stop?fbclid=IwAR0JHRA_tfCAcXctKDyftQkwmJ9kN_c4ikUGMT_1I-Gcuj3cQaV5uezF3-8

[10] Shrinivas Tilak, P. N. Oak (1917-2007): The lone fighter, etymologist, and historian,

[11] http://creative.sulekha.com/p-n-oak-1917-2007-the-lone-fighter-etymologist-and-historian_318699_blog

[12] Koenraad Elst, The Incurable Hindu Fondness for P. N. Oak, June 23, 2010.

[13]  http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2010/06/incurable-hindu-fondness-for-pn-oak.html

[14] https://archive.org; https://archive.org/details/EnglishBooksOfP.n.Oak

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DMK, Dravida and Black Parivar have been anti-Hindu or not ?: “Mount Road Mahavishnu,” marital alliance with Iyengars, tirade against Rama and Ramayana [1]

September 28, 2018

DMK, Dravida and Black Parivar have been anti-Hindu or not? “Mount Road Mahavishnu,” marital alliance with Iyengars, tirade against Rama and Ramayana [1]

Stalin response to The Hindu 23-09-2018

Why DMK took difference stand in the General Council?: The Dravidian parties, particularly, the Dravidar Kazhagam and Drvida Munnetrak Kazhagam with all their splinter groups operating under different banners have been consistently, atheist, that too, anti-Hindu since inception. With the presence of BJP felt now, they have been jittery and tried to change their stand. In deed, the DMK was in NDA, in spite of their anti-Hindi, anti-north, anti-Aryan, anti-Hindu and so on. Now, also, the possibility of Dravidian parties aligning with BJP for the 2019 elections, as is openly discussed in the media, DMK tries to clarify its position. Under the circumstances, in “The Hindu,” the report / news appeared has been interesting and intriguing also, as it has not appeared in other newspapers[1]. “The Hindu” Reporter reportedly asked, “You have taken a stand on God in the party’s general council for the first time. Was it because you feel that it is difficult to run a campaign against God and religion especially after the BJP’s growth or are you seeking to put an end to the criticism that the DMK is anti-Hindu?”.  For this Stalin responded as follows[2]:

Cases on anti-hindu karu

Stalins’s detailed reply to the question as to DMK has been anti-Hindu: Stalin responded, “I would like to give a detailed reply. Anna proclaimed that there was “one God and one race”. He also said, “I would not break Pillaiyar, neither will I break coconut for him.” Kalaignarhas reiterated this point many times. But a section deliberately suppresses these facts and seeks to portray us as atheist and anti-Hindu. When Anna talked about God, he took a cue from Bharathiyar’s lines, “Oh ignorant! You are in search for a thousand Gods.” Kalaignar always had a non-partisan approach. He never imposed his ideas and beliefs on others. He was not against faith in God or in religion. Why should he desilt the Kapaleeswarar temple tank if he was against the faith? Would he have come forward to repair a portion of the Tiruvannamalai temple when it collapsed? Would he have taken efforts to run the Tiruvarar temple car in 1969 which remained idle for 20 years and allowed Mannai Narayanansamy, who was a minister in his cabinet, to participate in it?

Atheists exploiting Krishna etc

Karunanidhi’s stand on Hindu religion and Hindus: Stalin’s detailed reply continued, “Just listen to what Kalaignar had said about the Hindus: “If everyone followed the tenets of Hinduism, as preached by Vivekananda, nothing could be greater than it. I am not against it. Since Muslims and Christians are minorities we have to support them to instill confidence among them. At the same time it is wrong not to support the Hindus because they are a majority.” When I spoke about God, I kept in mind the ideas of Anna and Kalaignar. The DMK has never preached against the God and religion as you assume. Those who could not directly face the socio, economic and political ideas of the DMK indulge in a mischievous campaign that the party is against God and Hindus. Kalaignar has always respected faiths and beliefs of people of all religions. DMK has campaigned against those who propagate communalism and fundamentalism with a view to destroying pluralism and communal harmony and seek to divide the nation. It will do it in the future also.I can only laugh at your suggestion that the BJP has grown. You ask neutral people to find out whether it is growing or declining”. However, this has not been the first time to respond in this fashion, as almost, he responded in the same manner, in 2015 also.

Stalin response to The Hindu 23-09-2018.my reply appearing

Responses to “The Hindu” as appearing in the “online”: I responded as follows  under that report, “As I have been listening to them since 1960s, I know Stalin is telling lies. That EVR broke Vinayaka idols is well-known to all, therefore, what Anna said is immaterial. Karunanidhi drank gruel and ate cake, but not any prasad, but, abused Hindu God. Had they really understood Vivekananda, then Karunanidhi would not have attempted to evict “Vivekanda House” from Ice-house. EVR, Anna and Karunanidhi never questioned Mohammedan and Christian scriptures and Gods, as they did against Hindu. Even in atheism, they could not follow secular atheism and that only exposes their duplicity” and in Tamil also. The other replies appearing clearly prove that the readers have not believed the story, as all know the true colours of Stalin and DMK.

Stalin response to The Hindu 17-10-2015

Same reply came from Stalin in 2015 also and “The Hindu” published[3]: Refuting the allegations that the DMK was anti-Hindu, party treasurer M.K. Stalin said 90 per cent of the party cadres were Hindus and their family members had faith in religion and god[4].  “There is a well-planned campaign to project that the DMK is anti-Hindu. But the family members of party leaders and cadre have faith in god. Even my wife is visiting all temples across the State and I never once asked her not to go. We do not stand in the way of those who have faith,” he told  The Hindu . Stalin, who had a meeting with a team of temple priests in Kumbakonam, said he visited Thirukoshtiyur temple in the first phase of his tour because it was there Saint Ramanuja, ignoring the warning of his teacher, climbed the temple tower and spoke aloud so that everyone could know what he had been taught.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur-2

The claim of followers of Thirumoolar: “We, the followers of Anna, have faith in Thirumoolar’s dictum  Ontrey Kulam Oruvaney Devan  (There is one community and one God). Our leader Kalaignar wrote dialogues for the tele-serial Ramanuja, because it was he who had paved way for entry of all communities, including Dalits, into the temples,” he said.  Rejecting the allegation that he was visiting temples and meeting priests in view of the coming election, the DMK leader said that he respected the sentiments of all sections of people and even in the past had visited temples and accepted the  poorna kumbam .  “I began Namakku Naamey in Kanyakumari and there I called on leaders of all religions. I have visited mosques and I have been invited to visit the church at Velankanni. Our leader is always given warm reception at Saidapet temple during election campaigns,” he said.  Asked about the feedback to his tour, he said people in the State were looking for a change and the DMK was the only alternative.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur

The 2015-drama of meeting “Bhattars, Archakas” etc: Actually, for “Namakku Namee” program, he was campaigning im Thajavur areas in September 2015 with his party cadres. He suddenly entered Sowmya Narayana temple at Thirukostiyur. His party cadres were reportedly taken aback, as it was not of the program[5]. However, the priests there welcomed with “Purnakumbam,” the traditional way of welcoming VIPs[6]. After going through the temple, he also had a “darshan” of the 106 feet high Gopura from which Sri Ramauja preached[7]. Perhaps, he tried to repeat “Ramanuja” to fool others. Because of the “Ramanuja” teleserial, some Vaishnavites started praising Karunanidhi. But, later, they came to know his hatred against Vaishnavism, as he blasphemed Rama, Ramayana etc. He also supported the goups that burned Rama pictures and conducted “Ravana Leela”! Thus, it is evident that he had gone there as an enthusiast rather than a devotee. Then he had meetings at Tiruvarur and other districts. He also met Bhattars, Archakas  etc., in Kamatchi Amman Kalyana mantap[8].  He also met the Bishop and other Christian representatives. Therefore, it is typical “secular drama” played by the anti-Hindu Stain nothing else.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur-3

Stalin wanted to know about “Thirukulathar” etc – PTI news 2015[9]: M K Stalin, DMK Treasurer, paid a surprise visit to an ancient Vaishnavite temple here during his ongoing state-wide tour to connect with people ahead of next year’s assembly elections in Tamil Nadu. Stalin, accompanied by his wife Durga, was welcomed with “poornakumbha mariyathai” (temple honours) by priests and officials at the entrance of the famous Sri Sowmya Narayanaswamy temple here in Sivaganga District. It was from the top of this temple tower that the 11th century revolutionary Vaishnavite saint Sri Ramanuja delivered the sacred “Ashtakshara” mantra – “Ohm Namo Narayanaya” – to the entire people of the village, defying his guru’s direction not to reveal it to anyone.Incidentally, Stalin’s father and DMK chief M Karunanidhi has written the script for a serial on Sri Ramanuja which is being telecast on ‘Kalaignar TV’ Stalin was taken to the tower from which Saint Ramanuja preached the important mantra to all the people so that they could get the blessings of Lord Narayana. This was the first time that a top level leader of DMK openly visited the temple, its officials said. Temple’s traditional priest for reciting Tamil hymns Tirukoshtiyur Madhavan told PTI that Stalin sought to know about Saint Ramanuja’s visit to the temple and the saint’s gesture in revealing the mantra and its meaning to all people irrespective of caste[10]. The priest also said Stalin visited the shrines of Sri Ramanuja and his guru (Thirukoshtiyur Nambi). Stalin asked “whether is it not Saint Ramanuja who named the Dalits as “Thirukulathaar” (son’s of Goddess Lakshmi), thousand years before Gandhi called them “Harijan“(People of Lord Vishnu)“. The DMK Treasurer, considered political heir apparent to Karunanidhi, has been meeting various sections of people and hearing their grievances in his campaign which he launched on September 20, 2015 to cover all 234 assembly constituencies in the state.

© Vedaprakash

27-09-2018

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Vaishnava-Saiva priests meet

[1] The Hindu, Stalin sees a bid to portray DMK as anti-God, anti-Hindu; terms it mischievous, B. Kolappan, SEPTEMBER 23, 2018 22:34 IST; UPDATED: SEPTEMBER 24, 2018 18:29 IST

[2] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/stalin-interview/article25022253.ece

[3] The Hindu, DMK – not anti-Hindu, B. Kolappan, October 17, 2015 00:00 IST; UPDATED: October 17, 2015 10:30 IST

[4] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/dmk-is-not-antihindu-stalin/article7772219.ece

[5]விகடன், மனைவியுடன் ஸ்டாலின் கோவிலுக்கு திடீர்வருகைசாமி தரிசனம்கட்சியினரிடையே பரபரப்பு!, Posted Date : 13:03 (29/09/2015)Last updated : 13:43 (29/09/2015)

[6]  https://www.vikatan.com/news/tamilnadu/53036.html

[7]தமிள்ஸ்.நவ்.நியூஸ், திமுக இந்து எதிர்ப்பு இயக்கம் அல்ல: மு  ஸ்டாலின், அக்டோபர் 17, 2015.

[8] http://tamilsnow.com/?p=62030

[9] The Hindu Businessline, TN: Stalin pays surprise temple visit, PTI, Published on September 29, 2015

[10] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/tn-stalin-pays-surprise-temple-visit/article7702918.ece