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The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

January 12, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

WAC, Trichy - second day, paper presenters

The First Day paper reading session (05-01-2018): The WAC organizers kept the paper reading session inside and the public meetings open. The first day (05-01-2018) paper reading proceedings were held at Periyar Maniammai University campus, Vallam. On the theme, “Atheism – Hope for Humanity”, Three parallel sessions were held, where, 38 delegates participated and presented 28 papers. Of which 13 were taken for discussion.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-bald, looks north Indian

In first session, was conducted with Balwinder Barnala, Tarkkaasila Sangha, as chair-person and , Dr Samarasam, Vijyawada Atheist Centre, as moderator.

Kadesh Godherao, Maharastra Antastrata Nirmulam Samiti, read a paper on the topic, “Atheism is for the Progress of Humanity”.

Kumanarajan, editor of “Tamil Lemuria”, Mumbai presented a paper on “Threats of religious fundamentalism, Problems and Solutions.”

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-gold-spec-nald-white

In the second session was chaired by Prof Ilakkuvan, Director, Periyar Centre, USA and P. Sabasiva Rao, Treasurer, Telengana-Hyderabad Manava Vikasha Vedika, moderated.

Prof Sam George, American College, spoke on, “Atheism – Way of Life.” M. Govindasamy, Malaysia Dravidar Sangam, Kulalampur spoke on, “Dravidian Movement in Malaysia”.

Dr R. Gauthaman, Periyar Medical Mission, spoke on “Medicine and Atheism.”

However, most of the papers were of generalized, rehashing the already known details and targeting Hindu religion for superstition and so on. Emphasis was given for in between Peiyar and Dravidian movement. The atheist arguments had been against ontological, teleological, cosmological points, but, they could not put forward any new points. The age-old theist-atheist arguments on these lines have been too well-known to be repeated here.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with coat

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WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with white coat.

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Vijayan

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, bald

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WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, grey hair

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WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- Sikh

Balwinder Barnala

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DK opposing Rajini-

Atheism versus Spirituality – debate started: Speakers propagating atheist philosophy slammed religious beliefs, especially in Hinduism, at the World Atheist Conference here on Friday (05-01-2018). The concept of spiritual politics espoused by superstar Rajinikanth also came in for sharp criticism. It is not known as to why Rajni’s politics should be attacked and criticized in the “World Atheist Conference”. Evidently, as Trichy has been strong base of Rajini’s fans and his political ambitions would erode the Dravidian polity and as well as the prospects of DMK, the WAC has been exploited to attack Rajini politics.  Though Rajini’s concept was much debated over the past few days, some speakers found it nascent and lacking clarity. However, Dravida Kazhagam leader K. Veeramani aid that people propagating ideology of spiritual politics would be exposed sooner than later. Speaking on the sidelines of the conference, he said spiritual politics was nothing but a tool that might be used to deceive people. Politics was in no way related to spirituality. Spiritual politics stressed on the existence of spirit which was called ‘Atma’. The aim of the conference was to counter the very existence of spirit through philosophical arguments. Those trying to mislead people in the name of spirit would be exposed soon, he said. Ironically, even the atheist religions like Jainism and Buddhism believed “Atma”, rebirth, etc.

WAC, Trichy, Kanimozhi

During public session, Rajinikantha’s “Spiritual Politics” attacked: Lakshman Tamil from Periyar International, USA said that those thinking about starting a political party in the state could not ignore Periyar or Dravidian movement for their brand value. He said that one could become popular in the state by invoking the name of Periyar. Lakshman recalled how his father had told him to be honest also when he expressed his wish to become an atheist like Thanthai periyar. Periyar had set high standards to be an atheist, he said. aking a jibe at Rajini, Dravidian Tamil Federation general secretary Suba Veerapandian said that a person had recently visited Gopalapuram (the residence of DMK leader M Karunanidhi) to seek his blessings[1]. But little did he know that he could only get rationalist lessons from the leader and not his blessings[2]. Rationalists and atheists had been criticising the actor for giving his political move a religious colour. Though Rajinikanth had come out in the open with a statement clarifying his stand, not many seemed to be convinced.

WAC-3, Times of India

“Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva”: Untouchability is the worst tyranny any part of the world has ever seen. So is the caste system. And these are practiced in the name of God, said Dravida Kazhagam leader K Veeramani here on Friday (05-01-2018). Speaking at the World Atheism Conference 2018 in Trichy, Veeramani said India is land of atheism, not temples. Atheism is not just the denial of religion, but denial of all superstitions associated with it too. He said atheism dated back to 1500 CE in our country. Lakshman Tamil, Periyar International, USA, said caste system is the bane of India and society cannot progress as long as this Vedic system exists. Hinduism cannot claim that it is all-encompassing until it disowns the Vedas, he said. Buddhism and Jainism moved away from people and lost their relevance[3]. The Dravidar Kazhagam has created a populous atheist movement and it is the true Shramana movement of the modern time in terms of the core philosophy of atheism, he said. Terming Periyar’s atheism the most relevant, Lakshman Tamil said it is also a populous movement. Its multifaceted nature has also contributed to its popularity. “Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva. People have to choose between Hindutva, which is a Vedic tradition that is based on hate and segregates people in the name of caste, and Dravidian philosophy, which preaches self-respect,” said Lakshman Tamil[4].

WAC-3, Times of India- attacking Rajini

2G-Raja spoke on his atheism in Tihar and outside: Former Union telecom minister A Raja started off by thanking the CBI and the CAG for making him popular worldwide in the 2G spectrum case. “Being an atheist since teenage, his belief in atheism strengthened further during his imprisonment in the Tihar jail when he saw prisoners, who included rapists and murderers, making a beeline to offer oil to a figure of Saturn (Shani). Hinduism was used as a tool by upper caste people to keep a majority section poor by denying them education. This is a country where people are divided in terms caste. And this notion is created by religion”, he said. As many as 500 papers on atheism are going to be presented in the conference that is going to last for 3 days.

WAC-3, The Hindu, 06-01-2016

The Second Day paper reading session (06-01-2018): The seconday paper reading session was held in Einstein Auditorium, for which K. Veeramani chaired and  Narendra Naik, President, Indian Federation of Rationalist Associations acted as moderator. Devadoss welcomed the speakers and delegates. Elizabeth O’ Cassey delivered a special lecture.

Thaneswar Sahu, Philosopher professor and President of Odhisha Rationalist Association spoke on “Science, Scientific thinking – A Perspective.”

  1. Raja Kennedy, Rationalist Teachers Forum, spoke on, “Encouraging Scientific temper amomg the children”.
  2. Ramasamy, Professor and Rationalist from Madurai, spoke on “Atheist-Humanist Fighters Periyar and Gora”.

Suvinnila, Vice-President, Rationalist Association gave vote of thanks. Here, also, the speakers had repeated the points. They always tried to take “Science” as weapon against religious beliefs and dub them as “Superstition,” but, they could not tackle the issue of “Scientific superstition,” prevalent exploiting the public under forced propaganda, dubious advertisements and aggressive marketing.

WAc,Kanimozhi speaks

Rationalists attacked, women treated badly by all religions- Kanimozhi: The evening seession was held at Puthur Periyar auditorium, Trichy as a public meeting, in which Kanimozhi, Tirumavalavan, C. Vijayan (Director, Vijayawada Rationalist Centre) spoke. Atheist and rationalists all around the world are under threat, said Rajya Sabha MP K Kanimozhi on the second day of the World Atheist Conference, organised by Dravidar Kazhagam in Trichy on Saturday (06-01-2018)[5]. She hoped the believers or religious minded attending the conference see the “………….true light of Periyar. The people who have congregated here are already atheist. Even then why we have gathered? Why do we have to preach ourselves when we have already converted? But we have to come together to show that we are together and what humanity means to the world ……. said no religion treats women equal to a man in every aspect, be it Hinduism, Christianity or Islam……………All religion says a woman has to obey a man. Women have been denied their rights in every religion. That was the reason Periyar denied all religion…………..There are reformers and feminist around the world who are fighting for women’s rights. I respect all of them, but there is one true feminist in this world and that is Periyar……………Religion is nothing but fear. How much blood has been shed, how many wars have been fought in this world because of religion?…………..God has never killed anyone for their wrongdoing and has remained a spectator. He would never act or react………….There is a threat for all atheists and rationalists around the world. To show our strength, we all should stand united and fight against hatred. Atheism and humanism are the only truths,” she said[6]. The Scroll.in just reproduced that TOI reported[7]. Irony that their correspondents, colunists or reporters could not add more than that TOI published[8].

© Vedaprakash

10-01-2018

WAC-3, Veeramani, Raja, Elizabeth

[1] Times of India, Atheists slam Rajinikanth’s spiritual politics, K Sambath Kumar| TNN | Jan 6, 2018, 08:37 IST

[2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/atheists-slam-rajinikanths-spiritual-politics/articleshow/62385950.cms

[3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/dravidian-philosophy-is-the-only-alternative-to-hindutva/articleshow/62386831.cms

[4] Times of India, ‘Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva’, TNN | Updated: Jan 6, 2018, 00:18 IST.

[5] Times of India, Rationalists under threat all over the world: Kanimozhi, TNN | Jan 7, 2018, 08:25 IST.

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/rationalists-under-threat-all-over-the-world-kanimozhi/articleshow/62397776.cms

[7] Scroll.in, Atheists and rationalists all over the world are under threat: DMK MP Kanimozhi, by  Scroll Staff, Published 07-01-2018, · 10:49 am

[8] https://scroll.in/latest/864115/atheists-and-rationalists-all-over-the-world-are-under-threat-dmk-mp-kanimozhi

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Hurriyat reaction about terror-money, stone-pelting is women empowerment, and right of protest, shielding terrorists and accusing fighting forces against Jihadi terrorism are hallmark of Kashmiriyat! (2)

May 20, 2017

Hurriyat reaction about terror-money, stone-pelting is women empowerment, and right of protest, shielding terrorists and accusing fighting forces against Jihadi terrorism are hallmark of Kashmiriyat! (2)

Stone pelting girls- Kashmir

The reaction of Hurriyat leaders against the media: After India Today aired a special investigative report where Hurriyat’s Provincial President (Geelani Faction) Naeem Khan was caught on camera admitting Pakistan is funding the violence in Kashmir Valley, India Today reporters were threatened[1]. After the video went on air, Naeem Khan came to India Today office in Srinagar and threatened India Today reporters[2]. He also asked them to take down the story and drop the expose. The Hurriyat also issued a notice to “Times Now” asking for damages, as the channel was carrying on debate and coverage over the issue with eminent panelists. JKLF chairman Muhammad Yasin Malik said on 19-05-2017 [Friday] that he would quit politics if media proved he had assets anywhere[3]. He also said he filed a police complaint against a New Delhi-based female journalist for allegedly barging into his bedroom without permission and appointment[4]. The sudden reaction against the media is intriguing, because, they are denying their anti-Indian and pro-Pakistan intentions and their continued role in instigating the violence in the valley sffecting the normal life of the people.

Stone pelting girls- Kashmir-2

The son of Peer Abdul Rashid of Aloochi Bagh issued legal notice to Times-Now: The Mumbai based channel “Times-now”, according to the lawyer Advocate Amir Masoodi has disgraced his father Peer Abdul Rashid of Aloochi Bagh who he claimed has been trolled by netizens on social media for his alleged involvement in money laundering (Hawala)[5]. “My father no doubt is the senior leader of Hurriyat Conference led by Syed Ali Shah Geelani but that does not mean the channel in order to increase its TRP will defame him without any proof or evidence,” advocate Amir Masoodi told ‘CNS’. He claimed that his family including his sisters and mother are being humiliated for his father’s alleged involvement in money laundering as was claimed by Times Now during live debate on News Hour on May 6 at 9pm [11-05-2017]. “I have filed a defamation case against Managing Editor of the channel, Navika Kumar for defaming my father, let them prove in the court of law what they had alleged during debate. My question to the party is as to how they labeled my father as ISI agent and counted him in the list of money launders,” Masoodi added[6].

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Peer Abdul Rashid of Aloochi Bagh has definitely no other role to play – can all Indians believe?: Amir Masoodi while criticizing the channel for allegedly tarnishing the image of the people of great repute said such allegations need to be proved and if not they should be prosecuted as per the law. He said the allegations leveled against his father in live program are derogatory in nature and as such caused tremendous mental agony to his family. “I want to make it very much clear that if the allegations leveled against my father proved right he must be punished according to the law and in case the same proved wrong then I have no option than to approach the Apex Court,” he said. “You showed a piece of paper and claimed that it is a kind of leaked intelligence sharing in which some names were mentioned having links with Pakistani premier intelligence agency ISI for money laundering to Hurriyat Conference,” reads the legal notice. Notice further reads that “now saying all this you and your channel are liable for prosecution under defamation laws by which you would be liable to compensate for tarnishing his image for cheap TRP of your program.” So, Peer Abdul Rashid of Aloochi Bagh has definitely no other role to play – can all Indians believe?

Stone pelting girls- Kashmir-4

Kashmiri Women as Stone Pelters: It Is Not Just Anti-Militarism, It’s About Empowerment![7]: Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal[8] write-up on this issue makes one shocked as she tried to reduce to a woman issue suppressing the facts of terrorism, jihadi bred-killings and that of other women suffered nore than that of the ones described by her. The excerpts are as follows: “…..If in 2016, pellet shot and blinded Insha Malik was the most haunting image of Kashmir, in 2017 the summer has begun with the defining images of women and girls joining the men in pelting stones on security forces and police. On the face of it, it’s a giant leap. ………Afshan Ashique, a 21 year old football coach, was among the women who pelted stones. According to a news report, she did not intend to. It was only while she was moving, along with her team of 20 girls, towards the playground when stone pelting started. A cop mistaking them for stone pelters, began slapping one of the girls, the report adding, provoking Afshan and her team to pelt stones……..  In 1989-90, women vehemently opposed the burqa diktat that right wing organizations like Dukhtaran-e-Millat imposed, despite incidents of throwing paint to embarrass women who refused to cover their face and an alleged case of acid throwing. Some women however chose to adopt the burqa as a way of life. The diktat did not last long but peak militancy period carved new roles for women in the Valley…….”. It is surprising that she could not see or notice any other thing, while discuss this issue!

Stone pelting women- Kashmir-1

It is empowerment for Kshmir women to pelt stones and shield the terrorists[9]: Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal continued, “….. This activism in the last 27 years of history of insurgency has by and large been shaped around their domestic roles as mothers, sisters, daughters and wives – in invoking or discouraging the men and boys in their families to pick up the gun and join ranks of militants, in acting as shields for the men during raids and cordons and in seeking justice for the men of the family killed, tortured of disappeared in custody…… This female assertion was more a part of domestic activism, inspired by the concerns of safety, security and oppression of their family members, especially men; not about their own safety and their own aspirations…… Even in cases of sexual assault and rapes, the patriarchal nature of protests that sought to bracket rapes within the paradigm of honour or stigmatized the victim, the women has been largely invisible. However, there has been an evolutionary trajectory of women’s involvement in public and political spheres that leads to the present day image of school and college girls pelting stones……. Signs of marginal change were already visible though in very passive forms.  The accused in Shopian rapes and murders were men in uniform as opposed to the Tabinda Gani rape case of 2006, where the accused were four poor labourers, two of them Kashmiri natives. ……In the last one decade, an increasing number of women have begun donning the head scarves and hijabs, which were otherwise unknown in the Valley……. While some of them are inspired by religion or peer pressures, many young girls admit that it was a conscious assertion of their different identity, making head scarves a symbol of the resistance against the oppression of another identity. …….. The fire is ignited. After a college girl was injured during the street protests, it inspired many more to come out, giving this assertion a new booster shot……”

Stone pelting women- Kashmir-2

The apologia Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal for “Burhan Wani and beyond”[10]: About “Burhan Wani”, her writing has been more apologetic than reality, as he suppressed the facts conveniently worrying about the rights of the terrorists and their supporters, forgeting the killed and suffered victims of such terror. Her abstract has been as follows: “The anger of the Kashmiri people in the face of the Indian establishment’s endeavour to smother their legitimate political aspirations is understandable. Since 2008, attempts by civilians to organise themselves peacefully against their oppression or even for their day-to-day needs, including water, electricity and jobs, have been met with brute force, even murders. Post 2010, Kashmir has moved in circles from periods of unrest to calm and then back to unrest. Burhan Wani’s death was just a small spark that was needed to break the pretence of normalcy thrust on its people. The government should realise that the stone pelters on the streets are neither Pakistanis nor paid agents. Kashmir, today, needs an open-minded political intervention that is unconditional”. Note, she coolly asserts that “The government should realise that the stone pelters on the streets are neither Pakistanis nor paid agents”, then, how these educated elite could safeguard the interests of the government? She does not bother about the Hindus who have been driven out, killed, women raped etc., but, continue to write only about other things. It is intriguing to note why and how they make to think in that way, because, the simple reading of their articles make others to realize that they have been writing in that way only with ingrained ideology, as they always suppress the facts of the other side.

© Vedaprakash

20-05-2017

[1] India today, India Today reporters threatened after expose on Hurriyat leaders getting funds from Pakistan,Edited by Nikhil Agarwal, New Delhi, May 16, 2017 | UPDATED 23:55 IST.

[2] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/india-today-reporters-threatened-after-expose-on-hurriyat-leaders-getting-funds-from-pakistan/1/955613.html

[3] Greater Kashmir, Will quit politics if media proves I have assets: Malik, Abid Bashir 
Srinagar, Publish Date: May 20 2017 12:09AM | Updated Date: May 20 2017 12:09AM.

[4] http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/front-page/will-quit-politics-if-media-proves-i-have-assets-malik/249821.html

[5] Kashmir Observer, Srinagar resident drags ‘Times Now’ to court, OBSERVER NEWS SERVICE• MAY 12, 2017

[6] https://kashmirobserver.net/2017/city-news/srinagar-resident-drags-times-now-court-17799

[7] Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal, Kashmiri Women as Stone Pelters: It Is Not Just Anti-Militarism, It’s About Empowerment!, Thursday, April 27,2017.

[8] Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal is the Executive Editor Kashmir Times and is a peace activist involved in campaigns for justice for human rights violation victims in Kashmir as well as India-Pakistan friendship. She also writes stories for children and adults.

https://www.facebook.com/anuradha.bhasin

[9] http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/NewsDetail/index/1/10538/Kashmiri-Women-as-Stone-Pelters-It-Is-Not-Just-Anti-Militarism-Its-About-Empowerment

[10] Anuradha Bhasin Jamwal, Burhan Wani and beyond, Economic and Poltical Weekly, Vol.51, Issue No.32, 06.August, 2016.

Sathyaraj regrets, whole-heartedly regrets, apologizes or worries about business? The media mode of dramatization of reporting of Dravidian racism, linguistic fascism and Ideological negationism!

April 22, 2017

Sathyaraj regrets, whole-heartedly regrets, apologizes or worries about business? The media mode of dramatization of reporting of Dravidian racism, linguistic fascism and Ideological negationism!

Sathyaraj apologizes - Tamil

Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat” – Indian Express support for Sathyaraj[1]: Indian Express has exposed the financial implication of the drama of opposition to Satyaraj by the Kannadiga groups. It carried a report as follows: “That a lot of expectations and money are riding on S S Rajamouli’s 200 crore sequel “Baahubali the Conclusion”, due for release on April 28, 2017 is well known. It was therefore quite convenient for the pro-Kannada groups like Karnataka Rakshana Vedike to seek some gloating satisfaction by threatening to prevent the Karnataka release of Baahubali the Conclusion, in order to force an apology out of Tamil actor Sathyaraj for his nine-year-old controversial remarks on the Cauvery issue. It is at the stage of theatrical distribution, that a movie’s whole fate and business depends. Speaking to a news channel, director SS Rajamouli said that pro-Kannadiga groups targeting Baahubali 2 because of Sathyaraj was “not right.” “[We] learned that whatever comments Mr Sathyaraj made it was nine years back. And after that, about 30 films of his were released in Karnataka. Baahubali 1 released. No one had problems with that. And suddenly, raking up the issue at this point in time … ,” said Rajamouli. Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat. But that is exactly the leverage for blackmail — when the stake against the risk is just too great and involves a whole crew of unrelated people, it is easy to browbeat somebody into senseless demands to selfish, parochial ends. The KRV has done this before in 2008, to get an “apology” from superstar Rajnikanth for his statements on the Hogenakkal project dispute, prior to the release of his movie Kuselan. In the country that is wild about movies, blockbuster movies like Baahubali make for cultural phenomena generating a lot of buzz, influence and capital”.

Sathyaraj apologizes - Kannda

“Arm-twisting of celebrities by fring elements” as observed by Indian Express[2]: After the financial implication, Indian Express has gone to the arm-twisting of the celebrities, as if Sathyaraj has not been of fringe element category, not speaking with decency and decorum and so on. It went on to report, “Over and over these days, this has been making movies and its makers easy targets for arm-twisting by fringe groups that know only too well that they possess the brazen muscle power of the mob to disrupt any hopes of soft power. They have the willing “activists” to attack where movies are vulnerable — at the sore point of revenue. This is exactly what also transpired in the case of Karan Johar’s dark apology video to Maharashtra Navnirman Sena, pleading them to spare his “Ae Dil Hai Mushkil” and in Shah Rukh Khan’s reassurance meeting with Raj Thackeray to ensure a smooth landing for “Raees”. It seems that as long as the law and order would not come to the active rescue of the filmmakers, any organisation with brawn and some political clout will feel brave for seeking such self-aggrandising settlements through soft coercion.” So the fans, general public and Indian consumers as a whole have to analyze the facts involved in such reportings.

Sathyaraj apologizes - Telugu

Sathyaraj regret – PTI version carried on by one media: Actor Sathyaraj has finally opened up on the controversy over the release of “Bahubali: The Conclusion”, in Karnataka. Pro-Kannada groups have called for a boycott of the film in the state alleging that the actor had hurt their sentiments in a speech made nine years ago. Despite the film’s team maintaining that he was only a supporting actor, the groups refused to budge from their stand[3]. Subsequently, in a video sent to the press on 21-04-2017 (Friday), the actor said[4], “Nine years ago, Tamilians were attacked in Karnataka over the Cauvery water dispute. There were protests demanding that the screening of Tamil films be stopped in that state. To condemn such calls, the Tamil film fraternity had organised a meeting, and many had expressed their anger. I was one among them… I understand that some of the words that I had uttered then have hurt the sentiments of the Kannadigas… In the past nine years, 30 films of mine, including Bahubali: The Beginning, were released in the state. There were no problems. I was even approached to act in Kannada films, but I couldn’t take them up because of other commitments.”

Sathyaraj apologizes - as-Kannadigas thrratened

Sathyaraj whole-heartedly regret – PTI version carried on by other media: “I sincerely express my regret for the remarks made by me during Cauvery protest nine years ago”, he said in a video message[5]. Asserting that he was not against Kannadigas or Karnataka, Sathyaraj claimed that his assistant Shekar, who is a Kannadiaga, is with him for the last 30 years. “In fact I had been invited to act in Kannada films, but I could not do so due to paucity of time”, he added[6]. Appealing for the smooth release of Bahubali-2, the actor said he do not want a movie made on such a grand scale by the hard work of thousands labourers and technicians to go waste[7]. I am a small actor in a mega film called Baahubali. I dont want the efforts of many people to go to waste. Not just that, I have the added responsibility of ensuring exhibitors in Karnataka, who have bought (screening rights of) Baahubali 2, are not affected,” he said in what he termed as an “explanation” to Tamil people and activists[8]. He said adding that in future if producers sense that because of me they might suffer losses, they need not approach him for signing films[9]. An atheist, known for his pro-Tamil views, Sathyaraj insisted that he will continue to voice support for matters concerning Tamils including the Cauvery dispute and the Eelam issue in Sri Lanka[10]. The actor, sporting a black T-shirt synonymous with the states Progressive movement led by rationalist leader, late E V Ramasamy Periyar, said he was not against Kannada people[11]. In a message to producers and filmmakers, he said those who fear “problems” in the future by casting him in their films may not do so and avoid “facing losses.”…… “Because I take more pride in living and dying as a Tamil without any superstition than living and dying as an actor,” he added[12]. He also extended his thanks to director Rajamouli, the films producers, various professional bodies of Tamil cinema including an artistes association and his well-wishers “for tolerating the difficulties caused by me.”

Sathyaraj apologizes - as-Kannadigas thrratened- want to be a Tamilian than actor

What the unrelenting Sathyaraj and the media want to convey to Indians: From the above, the secular Indians could understand the following points very clearly:

  1. That a lot of expectations and money are riding on S S Rajamouli’s 200 crore sequel“Baahubali the Conclusion”, due for release on April 28, 2017 is well known.
  2. It is at the stage of theatrical distribution, that a movie’s whole fate and business depends.
  3. Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat.
  4. The KRV has done this before in 2008, to get an “apology” from superstar Rajnikanth for his statements on the Hogenakkal project dispute, prior to the release of his movie Kuselan.
  5. In the country that is wild about movies, blockbuster movies like Baahubali make for cultural phenomena generating a lot of buzz, influence and capital.
  6. Over and over these days, this has been making movies and its makers easy targets for arm-twisting by fringe groups that know only too well that they possess the brazen muscle power of the mob to disrupt any hopes of soft power.
  7. They have the willing “activists” to attack where movies are vulnerable — at the sore point of revenue.
  8. It seems that as long as the law and order would not come to the active rescue of the filmmakers, any organisation with brawn and some political clout will feel brave for seeking such self-aggrandising settlements through soft coercion.
  9. Sathyaraj does not want a movie made on such a grand scale by the hard work of thousands labourers and technicians to go waste.
  10. An atheist, known for his pro-Tamil views, Sathyaraj insisted that he will continue to voice support for matters concerning Tamils including the Cauvery dispute and the Eelam issue in Sri Lanka.
  11. The actor, sporting a black T-shirt synonymous with the states Progressive movement led by rationalist leader, late E V Ramasamy Periyar, said he was not against Kannada people.
  12. In a message to producers and filmmakers, he said those who fear “problems” in the future by casting him in their films may not do so and avoid “facing losses.”……
  13. Sathyaraj asserted that, “…..Because I take more pride in living and dying as a Tamil without any superstition than living and dying as an actor”.

© Vedaprakash

22-04-2017.

Sathyaraj apologizes - English

[1] Indian Express, Sathyaraj apologises before Baahubali 2: When will this arm-twisting of celebs end?, Written by Nandini Rathi, New Delhi, Updated: April 21, 2017 7:53 pm.

[2] http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/opinion-entertainment/sathyaraj-apologises-before-baahubali-2-when-will-this-arm-twisting-of-celebs-end-4622632/

[3] Times of India, I express regret over my words: Satyaraj, TNN, April.22, 2017, 01.00 AM IST.

[4] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/news/i-express-regret-over-my-words-sathyaraj/articleshow/58298103.cms

[5] Deccan Herald, Sathyaraj apologies for his remarks against Kannadigas, Chennai, DH News Service, Apr 21 2017, 19:06 IST

[6] http://www.deccanherald.com/content/607472/sathyaraj-apologies-his-remarks-against.html

[7] Hindustan Times,  Baahubali 2: Sathyaraj expresses ‘wholehearted regret’ over Cauvery issue remarks, New Delhi Updated: Apr 21, 2017 14:25 IST.

[8] http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/baahubali-2-sathyaraj-apologises-over-his-comments-on-the-cauvery-issue/story-GDTALGwm5iyODylOZ6L88I.html

[9] India Today, Sathyaraj expresses regret for remarks made during Cauvery, PTI, April 21, 2017 | UPDATED 20:20 IST.

[10] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sathyaraj-expresses-regret-for-remarks-made-during-cauvery/1/935119.html

[11] Mid-day.com, ‘Baahubali’ actor Sathyaraj: Regret to have made hurtful comments against Kannadigas, By IANS | Posted 21-Apr-2017.

[12] http://www.mid-day.com/articles/regional-cinema-news-baahubali-2-sathyaraj-sorry-apologises-comments-karnataka-cauvery-row/18186185

Ideological racism, linguistic fascism and negationism among the Indian politicians – Baahubali becomes touching stone overcoming caste interpretation also!

April 21, 2017

Ideological racism, linguistic fascism and negationism among the Indian politicians  – Baahubali becomes touching stone overcoming caste interpretation also!

Kannada activists against Sathyaraj

Business motive attributed to the controversy: Praveen Shetty, the president of the KRV, was quoted in The News Minute[1] as saying “Why are directors [sic] pleading with the film chamber and senior actors in Karnataka? He had called us dogs during the Cauvery issue. We want a public apology from Sathyaraj, only then will the film be allowed to release in Karnataka.”[2] A few months ago, Baahubali 2 became the hottest film in the Karnataka trade, and many tried to procure it. But the producers of the film could not get the price that they were asking[3]. This led to a lot of jealousy and rivalry in the local trade, which may have led to raking up a 10-year old issue, which nobody imagined. Whether, the opposition has linguistic chauvinism, financial intricacies and business rivalry or otherwise, the hidden truth cannot be brushed aside. Now the film is going to be directly marketed in Karnataka by Arka Media, the producers, via NM Entertainment Sudhir. Meanwhile hectic parleys are going on to sort out the issue over the ban, which has snowballed into a political row[4].

Kattappa kiiled Baahubali

The actor Sathyaraj and his political role: There has been a lot of furore over the release of “Baahubali: The Conclusion” in Karnataka (scheduled for April 28, 2017), based on certain statements made by Tamil actor Sathyaraj during the Cauvery water crisis[5]. Sathyaraj plays Kattappa, a pivotal character, in the two-part film[6]. Producer Prasad Devineni from Arka Media Works tells us, “We plan on coming to Bengaluru soon to interact with fans and thank them for the support. We also want to appeal to the protesting organizations to support us when we are in the city.” The involvement of actors in the social and political issues has turned into a new twist in this way, affecting the release of a film. Perhaps, the cine-world has to learn that their members should restrict their polemics within the studios and sets and they cannot go beyond such limits enter into other areas to give discourses. There have been actors, who want to become politicians have been playing sage diplomatically avoiding controversies, but, Sathyaraj has been of different kind. Baahubali might have made him national or even international actor known to many, but, once his background is known, the business partners may not be comfortable with his extreme views and ideology.

Satyuaraj speech - Kannadigas opposed

Sathyaraj, Nagaraj and Baaahubali: Director S S Rajamouli sought to distance himself and his Baahubali 2 team from comments allegedly made by actor Sathyaraj that have led to a protest against the film’s release in Karnataka[7]. Rajamouli said the filmmakers were in no way related to the remarks made by Sathyaraj. “The producer and I want to clarify on the issue… The comments must have pained some of you but we don’t have any relation to it. Those were (his) personal comments and were made some nine years ago,” the director said in a video message on his official Twitter page. The controversy broke out after a video in which Sathyaraj allegedly made “derogatory” comments against Kannada activists went viral[8]. What Sathyaraj spoke might be nine years ago, but, Nagaraj has made it current by responding point by point. However, his speech has no takers, as every one, who knows about Sathyaraja, knows very well, he has been a staunch Periyarist, atheist, pro-Tamil separatist and anti-Hindu ideologist. In fact, in his movies, he has always exhibited such ideologies from Vedam puthithu to others. In ine movie, he shoots an astrologer dead asking a question, “Tell me how long you will you live”, when replies that he would live more, he finishes him off, i.e, just to prove that astrology is bogus. He has even donned the role of EVR in “Periyar”. Very often, he used to speak in atheist forums against Hindus, Hindu religion and belief system. As for as Nagaraj is concerned, Tamil people knew nothing, but, only through Sathyaraj, as he himself talked about Katal Nagaraj.

Kattappa brings controversy - Baahubali

Rajamouli’s appeal to the opposing groups: In a statement, filmmaker SS Rajamouli had expressed his gratitude to the Kannada audience and said[9], “It’s known that actor Sathyaraj is playing a significant role in the film. It has come to my attention that a few of his earlier comments had hurt a large section of you. I feel it’s my responsibility to clarify the issue. Baahubali has no connection to Sathyaraj’s remarks. He has only acted in a role in the film. He took his remuneration for it. Sathyaraj’s comments are his personal opinion. Our view is that his personal opinion shouldn’t trouble the film that he acted in. Yet, as responsible people, we have spoken about the situation with Sathyaraj over the phone. We don’t have more power than this. Sathyaraj had made those remarks nine years ago. After that, several films of his have released. The films he acted and produced have been released in Karnataka. Baahubali: The Beginning had also released. We request you to receive Baahubali: The Conclusion as well as the earlier films. If Baahubali: The Conclusion is stopped, Sathyaraj won’t suffer any loss. The problem is for the technicians and producers who have worked hard for five years on the film and for Kannada distributors and movie audiences. I urge you to not show anger against Sathyaraj on Baahubali.”

Dr Sathyaraj - donning EVR atheist

The peculiar Tamilnadu politics with codified and well-scripted agenda: As for as Tamilnadu is concerned, the people connected with cine-field have been successful in becoming politicians, powerful politicians, chief ministers and Central ministers also. In turn, such political ascendancy has also helped their business prospective and hence, cinema and politics have become inseparable for the Dravidian ideologists. The strategy has to be inclusive Dravidian ideology, Tamil separatism, anti-north, anti-Hindi, anti-Sanskrit, anti-Brahmin principles incorporated wherever possible, even if not possible, they have to be included without fail. EVR, Anna, Karunanidhi, MGR, Jayalalita and others have risen to top only because of their political and cinema connections. Of course, the Karunanidhi family and now AIADMK feuds expose the lack of strong leadership and dilution of “dravidian ideology”. This has made others tempting join politics, but, Sivaji Ganesan, SSR, T. Rajendran have suffered a lot. Rajnikanth has been cautious without taking any final decision. Kamal Hassan has now showing his political intention, but, only exhibited through twitter postings. However, individual powerful leaders of whatever nature, their exclusiveness has proved the dangerous decline after their death.

Sc groups wanted to ban Baahubali in 2015

Caste interpretation appearing in 2017: The casteist interpretation has been given to Baahubali by some columnists[10]. The Quint has interpreted in a characteristic way, “SS Rajamouli’s blockbuster ‘Bahubali: The Beginning’ has won the national award for best flm. Congratulations to the team….Here’s a quick peep into our archives – an argument that the movie actually shows how to keep dalits, adivasis and women suppressed…… Remember Agent Orange and Napalm in the Vietnam war? Well, Baahubali has its own version of burning people alive, as long as they are dark adivasis… obviously named KALAkeyas. Katappa, a great soldier and leader even eats separately from his ‘masters’. Why? Because hum choti jaat ke hain.” Thus goes the comments[11]. Thus, in one stroke, it accused “Baahubali” for depicting all war crimes, social exploitation and nuclear to chemical weapon usage against the tribals and others for the survival of higher castes. Perhaps, none noticed such allegory, euphemism or joke!

Pagadaikku piranthavan - opposed by SCs in Tamilnadu 2015

Baahubali faced casteist wrath, but, susidised in JUly 2015 in Tamilnadu[12]: In July 2017, a movie theatre in Madurai playing the hugely popular South Indian hit Baahubali was attacked with petrol bombs by a Dalit group for featuring a line (Pagadaikku Pirandhavan) considered derogatory against a sub-caste of the Dalit community. Subsequently, writer Madan Karky apologised for any hurt caused. Baahubali may be in the news for featuring an anti-Dalit line in the climax, but Dalit activists, filmmakers and scholars point out caste-based slurs have always been a part of Tamil Cinema. “Caste-based slurs such as Chandala, which denotes a sub-caste of a Scheduled Caste community in Tamil Nadu, have been so casually used in comedy-sequences by Tamil comedians like Vadivelu and Vivek. In Ameer’s Paruthiveeran, a super hit song Yele Yelelo, the hero actually calls his girl friend Sandali – which means that she is a daughter of a prostitute. We live in a society where such songs are celebrated,” says Punitha Pandian, editor of Dalit Murasu, a magazine that writes critically about social issues. Pandian remarked that often ignorance is given as an excuse and urged the civil society – intellectuals, activists and media – to do more to sensitise the masses. “This is not a problem of Dalits alone. We have been constantly talking and writing about these things but we have reached a stage where only a petrol bomb can force the society to talk about it. Filmmakers must be sensitised about social issues,” he says. What does the film industry make of the accusation that caste-based slurs have always been a part of Tamil films? Film-maker S.P. Jhananathan says that most young and budding writers are seldom aware of social issues, and suggests that the writers’ union must be actively involved in raising consciousness. “Most film-makers and writers are not aware of social issues. Film-makers and writers are also cut from the same fabric of society; how can they be any different,” he asks. Asked if there is a tendency to smuggle in the idea of caste pride into the narrative to appeal to politically dominant communities, Jhananathan says it is very much possible. “If the film directly deals with the issue of caste rivalry between dominant castes and Dalits, one need not shy away from talking about caste. But I would urge film-makers to be open about it. The problem is when caste pride is inserted in a film which has nothing to do with it,” he says.  The interpretation continued[13].

© Vedaprakash

21-04-2017

Why Kattappa kiiled Baahubali

[1] Thenewsminite, ‘No Baahubali release without Sathyaraj apology’: Kannada groups refuse to budge, Wednesday, Aprul 19, 2017. 12:58.

[2] http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/no-baahubali-release-without-sathyaraj-apology-kannada-groups-refuse-budge-60602

[3] Firstpost, Baahubali 2’s Karnataka release in jeopardy; did trade disagreement snowball into political row?, Sreedhar Pillai, Apr, 20 2017 13:49:17 IST

[4] http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/baahubali-2s-karnataka-release-in-jeopardy-did-trade-disagreement-snowball-into-political-row-3394296.html

[5] The Times of India, Don’t show anger against Sathyaraj on Baahubali, Sunayana Suresh| TNN | Apr 21, 2017, 12.00 AM IST.

[6] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/kannada/movies/news/dont-show-anger-against-sathyaraj-on-baahubali-ss-rajamouli/articleshow/58277733.cms

[7] Hidusthan Times, Sathyaraj’s comments not related to Baahubali: SSRajamouli, Updated: Apr 20, 2017 17:20 IST

[8] http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/sathyaraj-s-comments-not-related-to-baahubali-ss-rajamouli/story-CFXA2to86YiOIssO3j2gFK.html

[9]

[10] TheQuint.com, National Awards-Winner ‘Baahubali’ an Upper-Caste Male Conspiracy?

The Quint, March 28, 2016, 12:23 pm

[11] https://www.thequint.com/videos/2015/12/29/baahubali-the-beginning-caste-class-gender-satire-cinemcism

[12] The Hindu, Caste references polarise Tamil film fans, CHENNAI: JULY 27, 2015 01:56 IST UPDATED: JULY 27, 2015 01:56 IST.

[13] Subagunarajan, Editor of the Tamil film journal Kaatchi Pizhai, says the fundamental problem lies in the way such casteist slurs have been embedded in the Tamil language. “Words such as chandala and kepmari, both of which denote the name of a caste, have been used as swear words. This is why Periyar called Tamil a barbaric language,” he says. However, Subagunarajan fears that society may be heading to a stage where film-makers and writers cannot discuss caste issues at all. “The courts must be proactive and not admit such cases unless it is very pressing. If the film uses a casteist slur to underscore oppression, then it is not an issue. It becomes an issue when it is used to elicit laughs,” he says hoping that the film industry will take measures to correct itself. D. Ravi Kumar, general secretary of Viduthalai Ciruthaigal Katchi, says that while the issue needs to be debated in society, he disagrees with the form of protest. “The swear words have a connection to the specific social history of oppressed people. In a democratic society, we cannot continue to use it and we need to debate it. However, the form of protest is unacceptable. Democratic issues cannot be communicated in an undemocratic way,” he says.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/baahubali-in-caste-issues/article7467345.ece

Congress, BJP and the so-called Hindu terror-III

July 17, 2010

Congress, BJP and the so-called Hindu terror-III

Nothing new in the stories of HT: Headlines Today has not found out anything new, as now I have found out that it is just rehashing the stuff that was already circulated during November-December 2008. Perhaps, HT channel was not at that time or not popular. In www.indiainteracts.com, I have posted the following how the Congress colluded with the media to plant such half-baked, sensational stuff before the elections.

  1. Vedaprakash, “This Pandey fellow or anybody”! Farook linked to “Saffron terror”!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/22/this-pandey-fellow-or-anybody-farook-linked-to-saffron-terror/

  1. Vedaprakash, RSS itself is the real culprit: New findings!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/22/rss-itself-is-the-real-culprit-new-findings-just-few-minutes-ago/

  1. Vedaprakash, Photo-video clip journalism, ATS investigation and Congress secularism!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/22/photo-video-clip-journalism-ats-investigation-and-congress-secularism/

  1. Vedaprakash, “Sanghicide”: What is it? The important question to be asked in all examinations!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/22/sanghicide-what-is-it-the-important-question-to-be-asked-in-all-examinations/

  1. Vedaprakash, Pitting Hindus against Hindus: The Congress dirty game

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/22/pitting-hindus-against-hindus-the-congress-dirty-game/

  1. Vedaprakash, ATS and TV channels solve all bomb-blast cases in India!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/16/ats-and-tv-channels-solve-all-bomb-blast-cases-in-india/

  1. Vedaprakash, Hindu Political or Religious Leader to be arrested in UP by ATS?

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/11/11/hindu-political-or-religious-leader-to-be-arrested-in-up-by-ats/

  1. Vedaprakash, Should Hindus require a “woman-terrorist”?

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/10/27/should-hindus-require-a-%E2%80%9Cwoman-terrorist%E2%80%9D/

  1. Vedaprakash, Torture of Swami Amritananda Dev Tirtha, Shankaracharya of the PoK-based Sri Sharada Sarvagya Peeth: His letter!

http://vedaprakash.indiainteracts.in/2008/12/31/torture-of-swami-amritananda-dev-tirtha-shankaracharya-of-the-pok-based-sri-sharada-sarvagya-peeth-his-letter/

TIMES-NOW: The expertise channel in covering the events in 2008: The TIMES-Now channel has been covering the events as follows:

Related Stories

Purohit linked to Ajmer Sharif blast?

‘Purohit provided RDX for Samjhauta”

Digvijay Singh equates VHP, Bajrang Dal to SIMI

‘I wanted to avenge SIMI”s attacks”

‘Guru told Purohit to get explosives”

Left out in the cold, mentor denies links

‘Guru”s” political connections questioned

Plot thickens: Pandey linked to Purohit

Purohit”s laptop might reveal more details

Political blamegame over Malegaon

ATS arrests key accused in Malegaon blasts

Advani mum on Malegaon probe

M”gaon probe: ‘No MP or MLA under scanner”

Purohit involved in Samjhauta train blasts?

No evidence against Hindu outfits in Malegaon blasts

Army”s ‘no comments” on Malegaon probe

Malegaon “suspect” Swami lashes out

ATS leaves for UP to quiz ‘right wing” leader

VHP against Sadhvi”s “harassment”

Purohit linked to Thane blast accused

M”gaon blast: 2 picked up from Vapi, Pune

None of the links work today!: “The NDTV, NEWS-X and CNN-IBN have been also adopting the same pattern blowing hot and cold’, thus I wrote on 16-11-2008, but today (17-07-2010), when I tried none of the above links are working with the following message:

Server Error in ‘/’ Application.

The resource cannot be found.

Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.

Requested URL: /NewsDtls.aspx

Therefore, as readers and Indiand we cannot keep quite for this type of propaganda.

HT picks up the old stuff in July 2010: Thus, it is evident that the TV-channels, particularly, TIMES-NOW had removed the stuff put on in the websites subsequently for the best reasons known to to them. Now, Headlines Today rehashes the same stuff, with the claim that they had exclusively accessed material – in the form of video tapes and witness accounts available with investigators – that puts elements within the Sangh Parivar under the scanner[1].

Were Hindus fools to colloboate with SIMI to bomb Muslim targets or SIMI was so idiotic to help Hinduss? Ironically, in the narco tests, Purohit says Muslim groups helped him bomb SIMI office in Malegaon[2] and the ATS was taken aback and tried to suppress the facts. Not only that even the RDX was obtained through the Jihadi terrorists across the borders through PK and IOK. Sankaracharya was reportedly helped in getting the RDX, as he was having influence over POK Jihadis.

How Bangladeshi nationals including oned woman detained turned to Hindu terrorists? The INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK reported as follows: Ajmer blast: People detained for questioning, 12 Oct 2007, 0851 hrs IST, INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK:

“NEW DELHI: Police has detained 3-4 people for questioning in its probe into the Ajmer dargah blasts, Times Now reported. According to the channel, police is also working upon the sketches of the suspects. Police sources said that detentions were made based upon the suspicious movements of these individuals. Two among those detained are Bangladeshi nationals and one is a woman”. What happened to those Bangaladeshis?

How the same Digvijay Singh and media speak the same stuff after three years? Digvijay Singh accused Sangh Parivar as follows in 2008:

Digvijay Singh equates VHP, Bajrang Dal to SIMI

Nov 14, 2008 http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?633203

Bhopal, Nov 14 (PTI) Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh equated right wing organisations Bajrang Dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) to the banned Students Islami Movement of India (SIMI).

“These (SIMI, VHP and Bajrang Dal) outfits were all involved in similar anti-national activities,” Singh, AICC General Secretary alleged.

Talking informally to reporters, Singh said that whether it was ‘Muslim terrorism’ or ‘Hindu terrorism’, both worked to harm the nation’s security.

When asked if the Bajrang Dal should be banned, he said that it would be much better if the RSS which was the fountainhead of the Bajrang Dal was outlawed.

Singh said that there were only five recognised Peeths of Shankaracharyas in the country but the VHP had made many Shankaracharyas.

“The Maharashtra ATS should be congratulated for exposing the role of right wing terrorists in the Malegaon blasts,” Singh said.

The former Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister said that he alone in the Congress is capable to take on the Sangh parivar by talking consistently of Hindu terrorism, he was defending other state Congress leaders who are mum on right wing leaders.

Now, again he comes into picture and talks nonsence in the TV-channels[3]. Now, He claimed that the first instance of Hindu terror came to light in Bhopal in December 2002. During his tenure as Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh, Singh said that the administration managed to track some of the sleeper cells and individuals involved in these activities, including bomb-making[4].  He also alleged that Madhya Pradesh Government, ‘for some strange reason’, closed investigation in two high-profile murder cases of Sangh functionaries Sunil Joshi and Ramchandra Kalangsara.

Conclusion: I just reproduce the conclusion as follows, which is applicable now also: The collusion of ATS with the media has been evident and it is very dangerous in the secular context of India. Moreover, the twisting, distorting and  misinterpreting of news reported and reporting with blatant lies, as a careful viewer, reader and observer could note from the media coverage, is unethical, immoral and against any journalistic code. Sensational reporting could not go to the extent of scandalous, as the politicization of the issue has not been touched upon, because of the elections. The political leaders could talk anything and get away with it. As the PM responded on the Malegaon blast on board in 2006, he could not keep silence about what has been going on now in the same issue. The media has tried to saffronize the terror from green. Ironically, the allegations of the saffron terror is inspired from the green and even purchased from green, if the media reports are to be taken as “gospel truth” or “Koranic revelation”.

If the Hindu ideologists start interpreting that as the PM has been a Sikh, the defence minister a Christian and the entire media has been Christian and Mohammedan and consistently anti-Hindu, these things are happening, how the others would take it? Of course, above all the Sonia factor has been there! Now all the secular elements have been keeping quite or playing cautious role realizing the grave situation, as it might misfire in any direction.

Anyway, a common man, a careful viewer, critical reader and sensitive observer could easily point out the double standards of the media, politicians, ideologists and other secular intellectuals. Though, very often, people are blamed for forgetting the past, just-past events, wherever, the impact has been there, they actually do not forget and such imprints continue to make them sensitive. Therefore, the hypocritical, duplicitous and two-faced standards of any discipline would be exposed. Hence, it is better, they behave responsibly, instead of treading a dangerous path of manipulations, meddling and even fraudulent ways.

Vedaprakash

17-07-2010


[1] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105546/India/saffron-brigades-terror-plots-exposed.html

[2] Times of India, Purohit says Muslim groups helped him bomb SIMI office in Malegaon, Pranati Mehra, TNN, Nov 13, 2008, 12.00am IST

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Purohit_says_Muslim_groups_helped_him_bomb_SIMI_office_in_Malegaon/articleshow/3706044.cms

[3] Just recollect what and how he spoke and argued with Tarun Vijaya yester day and today.  This clearly proves that Congress stage-manages the Tv-channels and the propaganda.

[4] http://expressbuzz.com/nation/congress-demands-probe-into-rss-terror-links/190434.html

Atheist’s sermon on Ramayana!

May 17, 2007

Atheist’s sermon on Ramayana!

Three years back, I started blogging here, but, I switched over to http://www.indiainteracts.com.

However, as they stopped such facility suddenly, many of my writings, bloggig, comments etc., disappeared.

Therefore, I just want to revive, recollect and repost them, wherever possible.

This response was actually for one Nandivarman of Pondicherry, as he used to attack Hindus with his self-claimed atheism and so on.

My attention is drawn to your posting in WordPress.com.

I offer my comments to your post:

India was an island nation surrounded by seas hence it had the name நாவலந் தீவு.

Is to so? Kindly tell me, where the expression நாவலந் தீவு is found in the ancient Tamil literature or “Sangam” literature?

In such a scenario to claim that a Land Bridge built 1,750.000 years ago when no human being had inhabited the Earth

In haste, you are mentioning as 1,750 years (1,750.000 = 1750).

Paula Richman wrote a book titled “Many Ramayanas” Yes the question before us is to accept which Ramayana as true story?.

You claimed youself as a rationalist / atheist etc. Then, you have to be careful in quoting from secondary sources, because, non-Hindus or anti-Hindus can write anything and quoting such biased ideas make you unbecoming of a “rationalist / atheist”. You should have read H. D. Sankalia also before jumping into the so-called “debate”.

Your mention about Jain / Buddha Ramayanas: As Ramayana has become so popular, even Jains and Buddhists had to imitate Ramayana by changing the story, just like Kulandai. Therefore, there is nothing new in it. As a researcher or scholar or historian, you have to demythologize and find out the truth, instead of relying upon “such myth on myth”, straightaway.

[The biblical Adam and Eve’s story and its resemblance could also be taken note of] Sita becoming a monket after eating a fruit: This shows that either you have not read the story properly or misquoting or rather drawing wrong parallel with the biblical Adam and Eve (don’t try to escape by telling that I am a rationalist and all). I do not know as to whether Eve became monkey to have such forceful comparison!

You furthering the above story: Here, you are perhaps nearing the biblical fables, as Jesus also reportedly married to May Magdelene. Perhaps, you decided to not stretch it.

According to Thais, Hanuman had many affairs and children: Naturally, if the wishes are horses, even blind can fly. Why Thais, even Annba did it. As you are a rationalist and atheist, you quote all these things, so enjoy.Anna’s inconclusive debate on Kamba Ramayanam: “Navalar Somasundara Bharathiar and சொல்லின் செல்வர் R.P.Sethu Pillai debated with Anna and openly admitted they have lost the debate. This debate in Tamil Book “Let Fire Spread” தீ பரவட்டும் wants to illuminate Tamil hearts by symbolically burning Kamba ramayanam. Pulavar Kuzhanthai wrote இராவண காவியம் . Ravana Kavyam  can be considered as Dravidian version of Ramayanam”.No, they were ashamed of the perversity and vulgarity erupted in the name of literary flow and hanged their heads. Any Tamil knowing or reading person would hang his head after reading as it is just like “yellow journalism” circulated under the “Dravidian” banner, that too, coming from Anna, wjo became Chief Minister of Tamilnadu taking oath under the Indian Constitution, that has been written by Ambedkar. Anyway, the facts are as follows:

  • The so called debate was held in the auditorium of Law College, Madras on 09-02-1943 under Ramachandra Chettiyar.
  • Anna started speaking and took more than one and half hours leaving no time to others.
  • Pointing out the falsehood in his speech, R. P. Sethu Pillai openly spoke about his weakness in the argument. In fact, re ridiculed Anna for quoting from “Northern Nehru”, being a “Nakkiran” (one who always finds fault with others). Regretting that he could not speak for long time, he wound up his speech within ten minutes. He dared him that he would even come to Kanchipuram for another debate on the subject matter, if he would invite him.
  • Ezattu Adigal, who followed him, was asked to cut short his speech within five minutes.
  • Then Srinivasan started speaking, but he was prevented from speaking, as the DK activists created a riot-like condition. He had to stop his speech, because of the pandemonium created by them.
  • But, Anna was given a chance to speak again!
  • So that was the debate conducted with “freedom of speech” and respect for speakers!
  • However, winding up, C. M. Ramachandra Chetti concluded that he could not give his opinion, as the debate had been inconclusive.

The main point discussed was as to whether Ravana was an Aryan or Dravidian. Thus, the first debate had been the most undemocratic conducted under controlled conditions with rioters.

The second debate was conducted on 14-03-1943 at Devanga Padasalai, Sevvaipettai,  Salem. Salem College A. Ramasamy presided over Anna and Somasundara Bharathi spoke.

  • Anna spoke as usual taking full time
  • Somasundara Bharathi pointed out that Anna spoke as an orator with brimming emotion not as a debater. He then, however brought out his points refuting Anna;s talk.
  • He left, as his speech was over and moreover, he had to catch his train, as plannede by the organizers.
  • But, after his departure, Anna was given a chance and he stressed upon Ravana’s race and concluded with the demand of burning “scriptures of Aryans”.
  • A. Ramasamy, though did not gave any result about the debate, he pointed out that there was “vulgarity” in Kamba Ramayanam.

In any case, such diverted reference has nothing to do with the “Ramar’s Palam”.

The question before us which of these versions is based on true historical facts. These are not days where everyone will accept anything with blind faith. If you place new facts to reopen a settled issue in history, you should place facts and prove it”.

Yes, yes. Nowadays, everybody can get information easily and they decide about truth behind it.  Even in those days (when Anna debated), the other scholars were not allowed to speak or threatened with dire consequences. In other words, they used their own type of terrorism in those days. Now, let us see, how truth is faced.

Let us examine the falsehoods one by one. We from the Dravidian Movement are atheists but not Ravana; all know that Ravana as per epics is a devotee of Lord Siva. The doubt which arises to me is why should a reincarnation of God perform superhuman deeds to impress demigods? Does it mean that Demigods are more powerful than the Original God on reincarnation?

Interestingly, the answer is there in the so-called above debate, as they debated only about the race of Ravana as to whether he was an Aryan or Dravidian! Rationalist or atheist has to deny such myth. Having believed it as a myth, why one should worry about it as to whether it works or not? Without Ramayana myth, there is no Ravana. If Ramayana is myth, Ravana is also a myth. Then, why debate about his “racist credentials”?

There are many books on Indian Ocean. All these books give us evidences on the continental drift, the submerged lands of the Lemuria, which Tamils prefer to call as the Kumari Kandam”.

Yes, but note again, the western scholars do not believe in such hypotheses. Why them, even Indian eminent historians not only do not accept, but also dub them as myth.

Mr. Nandi Varman, go to Endo-eurasian group and other forums, where Tamil literature is misinterpreted and disrespected. Steve Farmer openly accuses that your friend R. Mathivanan is a foregerer. They go on debate even without knowing the fundamentals of Tamil and Tamil literature. I feel it is better spend your energy there instead of politicizing the issue.

VEDAPRAKASH,

Researcher,

Chennai.

vedamvedaprakash@yahoo.com