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Christian music, Christian Tamil music,  Christian keerthanais and Kutchery: All with “Thomas myth”,  the way, Nivedita Louis spreads it!

July 6, 2020

Christian music, Christian Tamil music,  Christian keerthanais and Kutchery: All with “Thomas myth”,  the way, Nivedita Louis spreads it!

The Hindu how spreads thomas myth, Abhirami Rao, July 2019

A newcomer in the list of “Thomas myth” spreading propagandists[1]: The Christians never forget to take any chance to insert and spread the myth of Thomas and now, one Nivedita Louis has come, hitherto unknown name in the context. It appears that she takes every opportunity effectively to do so, wherever, she goes on whatever subject, she deals with[2]. She supplies photos, materials and other things to aid abet to spread such myth without any shame[3]. In the same church, Rayappa Arulappa tried to manufacture evidences with Acharya Paul. Then, so many things happened…the project of a movie on “doubting thomas” and so on. But, she never touches upon these, but, follows the methodology of Subhashini Tremmel[4]. Our course, S. Muthaiah (1930-2019) used to accommodate such myth in his musings here (in The Hindu) and there (Madras musings). Even after him, the same trend continues[5]. One Abhirami Rao who joined the walk of Nivedita Louis came out with a stuff[6] that was duly published in “The Hindu”.  Generally, Indians or Hindus do not bother about all these things. But, when a pattern is found and she gets agitated immediately calling names with the outbursts of “Aryan,” “Dravidian,” “Vanderi” and so on, then, there is a reason to believe that she has agenda and continues now, just like her predecessors. The following have been the news stuff that involves her with the “Thomas myth.”

Nivedita Louis on Thomas myth wherever possible

The connection between Tamil music and Christianity: Right from the period of Bartholomaus Ziegenbalg, who tried to translate the German and Latin hymns into Tamil, people started to sing songs in the Tamil meter[7]. But Christian natives found it difficult to sing in the Western genre. To adjust themselves to the new situation, missionaries came up with songs that have attributes of both Western and Tamil music[8]. Along with singer Jasmine Wilson, writer-historian Nivedita Louis would be a holding a lec-dem that traces the connection between Tamil music and Christianity on August 23 2019 at Press Institute of India, Taramani. “The Tamil Christian songs date back to 300 years. At the ending of every Knanaya marriage, they used to sing Syriac chants. Missionary Constantine Joseph Beschi, also known as Viramamunivar, thought there was a cultural divide in music between the Tamil Christians and missionaries who propagated Christianity. So to have an alliance between the two musical styles, he started translating texts like Tirukkural,” says Nivedita.

Nivitia Luois, on Christian singers
Christian keerthanais, Christian Carnatic songs and Kutchery: People like Vedanayagam Sastriar, N Samuel and Henry Alfred Krishnapillai started writing Tamil Christian classics. “There wasn’t any difference between Carnatic and Tamil music — the music was the same, only the words differed. Vedanayagam Sastriar wrote Bethlehem Kuravanji (with the Lord of Bethlehem as the protagonist) that was inspired by Kutrala Kuravanji,” she explains. Missionaries transformed epic Tamil songs and brought it to the hold of Christianity. That’s how the tradition of keerthanais began. Similar to Carnatic keerthanais, they started penning Christian keerthanais as well. “Vedanayagam Sastriar and Thyagaraja are contemporaries. We don’t find much difference in their writings and compositions. The only difference is the usage of words. Those days, people used to write songs in notebooks and pass it on from one generation to next. When music went from one era to another, there was a huge transformation,” Nivedita adds. The best thing about Christian music is that it is democratic and not restricted to a particular community or group of people.

Waliking through santhome church, Nivedita Louis

The interest of Nividita Louis in the Santhome: Partnering with Vincent D Souza, the editor of a local newspaper, Nivedita says they chose to concentrate on Santhome because, “It has a high concentration of Christians, is one of the oldest parts of the city and has a lot of connections to the Portuguese. The lives of these people are very interesting,” she begins[9]. The walk will commence from the museum inside the Santhome Cathedral (assembly point), from where the hosts will go on to explain about the Portuguese residents’ day-to-day living and prayer rituals. “History shows that many of their customs are akin to that of the locals. For example, we can find pillars similar to the Dwajasthambam built in Hindu temples in some of the churches. People also used to take the idol of Virgin Mary out in a procession like they do with Hindu deities,” she explains[10].

Nivedhita Louis Adichanallur
Historian describes all the buildings near Santhome Church: At the crib inside the Santhome Cathedral, Nivedita will speak about how this Nativity scene was started in 1223 by Francis of Assisi. She says, “He is also called patron saint of animals — that’s why we find a lot of animals in the crib such as donkeys, goats and oxen.” The participants will then proceed to St Bede’s School after which, “We’ll go to the Bishop’s House, which was once a bungalow built by De Monte in 1808. In fact, the gate has a creepy story, which I’ll narrate during the walk,” shares the historian. St. Rita’s Church, CSI St. Thomas English Church, which is 175 years old and CSI St. Thomas Tamil Church will follow. The last stop is Kalpana House, which belonged to a yesteryear actress. The old bungalow currently houses a jewellery store but hidden within its walls is a small shrine built by the actress’ son, containing a 100-year-old statue of Infant Jesus. Another surprise element for the participants will be in store after a visit to this house, which will be revealed during the walk. To participate in the hour-long Christmas Eve Walk that will start at 7.30 pm, contact 9840170982.

Reviving thomas myth by the priests -1
Firangi Kunda or Parangi Malai: Hindus and Muslims reciting Ghazals, inside a church — nothing novel today, perhaps but when it first happened, as an act of spontaneity by people who were overwhelmed by the sheer beauty of the European paintings depicting Biblical scenes, it went on to be etched as a special moment in the city’s multi-cultural history. It happened at the church (called Church of Our Lady of Expectation) on St. Thomas Mount, then known as Firangi Kunda or Parangi Malai when Nawab Sadathullah Khan ruled the Carnatic. The year was 1719, and the Nawab’s men — led by his Dewan, Dakhini Ram along with a few Muslim generals and others — were returning to Arcot after some tough negotiations with the English at Fort St. George.

Reviving thomas myth by the priests -2
The Nawab’s Church visit: On the way, the Nawab’s party was invited by Armenian traders to visit their palatial bungalows at the foot of St. Thomas Mount[11]. After enjoying Armenian hospitality and some rest, Dakhini Ram and his men climbed up the hill to see the elegant church, built at the spot where St. Thomas, the apostle, was believed to have been killed in 72 CE[12]. The Portuguese had built a church there in the 16th century, which was renovated and beautified by the rich Armenian traders of Madras just a few years before the Nawab’s party would land up there, out of curiosity. And what they saw took their breath away. “Its lofty buildings and its elegant and bewitching aisles, where, at every corner, pictures of Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ adorn the walls, dazed the onlooker,” writes Jaswanth Rai, the chronicler of Nawab Sadathullah Khan.

Nivedita Louis on Thomas myth
Arcot Nawab, Sufi, Sheikh and Brahmin: It was probably the first time that the Indians were coming face-to-face with European Renaissance-style paintings. The use of perspective on a two-dimensional surface to make it appear three-dimensional was one of the characteristic features of Renaissance paintings. It made the painted eye appear as though it was following the viewer. Once inside the church, they found the interior of the church roof completely painted with Biblical scenes and of Virgin Mary with Child Jesus. “What wonderful paintings, particularly the ones on the roof are beyond all praise. From whatever corner one looks at, his eyes are dazzled at the art,” records Jaswant Rai, who accompanied the Dewan. Jaswant Rai’s friend Muhammad Arif composed a verse on the spot:

‘His eyes (artist’s) see with the eye of God:

The whole art of the West is manifested in the twinkle of the eye.’

Thoroughly intoxicated with the beautiful paintings and the hospitality of the padre, the Nawab’s men decided to hold a Mushaira (a poetic symposium) right there. So poets such as Khizl Bash Khan, Fazlullah Khan, Aga Muhammad Muqim, chronicler Jaswant Rai and several others got together. Basanth Rai, brother of Jaswanth Rai, sang:

‘The eye has not eyed like unto the beloved from the west; The moon has not witnessed another such moon in the whole of that country…’

Muhammad Arif continued thus:‘

The European beloved has struck such a chord in my heart

That the page of my heart has been metamorphosed

Into a picture of Europe…’

Interestingly, the paintings also brought in philosophical musings in people like Khizl Bash Khan, who began his recital with, “I am not able to differentiate between a Sheikh and a Brahmin…” Perhaps the English translation does not do justice to the original Persian verse with its rhyme and meter, but it does offer a glimpse into a society that appreciated art beyond the narrow confines of religion. Today, sadly it is only these verses that remain of the beautiful paintings that adorned the ceilings of the church. But these verses and the St. Thomas Mount chronicle bear testament to a time when religion did not blur man’s appreciation for the lofty things of life –this story has been published in “the Hindu.” Here, it has to be mentioned that “the Hindu” has been in the habitual accommodator of “Thomas myth” and it never gives ant space to expose it. That has been the journalistic ethics, commitment to history and what not. And finally, I February 2020, Nivedita Louis came out as follows:

Nivedita Louis and her friend on Thomas myth -facebook postings

Nivedita Louis comes out: “There is a museum in Santhome Church. There have been two important Chola inscriptions. Thee are other inscriptions of the Portuguese. The Church never suppressed them. The ceramic ware, bones, coins recovered during the excavations conducted in 1893 have been preserved here. A few years back, when the students of Madras University conducted excavations, terra sigillata, arattain type broken ware were recovered. It is not known whether they have been dated or not. Tis place has been alive since the Sangam period. The public can come and visit the museum, wen t is opened.  Just because, flag-staff is there for the last few years, it s a Hindu temple, some items are inside and therefore they are Hindu., I want to tell the ……….(Chillarai) Hindu organizations, who claim that they are Hindu. The potter of the Sanga period and the Cholas are our Tamil people. They are not like you who invaded and settled down here (vanderi) and not ……..so cheap fanatics. Tamil Christians are not imported from London. They are the sons of this soil. Aboriginal people. The invader Aryans, ho are you to touch upon our Tamil culture? Very strong protestations,” she posted in the Facebook in this way. This was in response to Arjun Sampath visit to the Church in February 2020.

Thomas myth spreading, Parangi church, Nivedita Louis - The Hindu

The Christians should stop spreading “the myth of thomas”: Whether S. Muthaiah or anybody, as they claimed / claim historian and all, they must be knowing the facts of “doubting Thomas,” as they very often quote from the archival sources, old books and documents. As for as the Christians are concerned, as they claim historicity for their religion, god, scriptures etc., they cannot manufacture legends, forge stories and myths. Historians cannot spread myth, particularly, the Thomas myth, as the Mylapore Archbishop himself was involved with such forgeries and the case had gone to the Madras High Court. The litigants came out on “out of court” settlement  to bury the fraudulent activities carried on. However, as it happened 25-30 years, the details have been known to many and they are available. Under such circumstances, they should stop to do such false propaganda.

© Vedaprakash

05-07-2020

[1] This I should have posted in February 2020 itself, however, as I was preoccupied and the material related to this were also misplaced, the Carona leisure time has given time to complete and post.

[2] The News Minute, The bells toll again: Chennai revives its Armenian link with annual church service, FEATURES COMMUNITY WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 07, 2018 – 13:22

Anjana Shekar Follow @anjanashekar

[3] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bells-toll-again-chennai-revives-its-armenian-link-annual-church-service-76052

[4]  Subhashini Tremmel has come out with a video explain the museum and of course, the myth. I wrote to her, but, she replied only once and then kept quiet. Nowadays, she is involved with many other controversies and moving with Indian politicians.

[5] The Hindu, Re-discover Santhome’s architectural treasures, Abhirami Rao, JULY 30, 2019 13:28 IST; UPDATED: JULY 30, 2019 16:41 IS.

[6] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/re-discover-santhomes-architectural-treasures/article28756981.ece

[7] DTNext, Lecture to trace links between Christianity and Tamil music, Published: Aug 21, 2019, 07:30 AM by Merin James.

[8] https://www.dtnext.in/News/City/2019/08/21081438/1172650/Lecture-to-trace-links-between-Christianity-and-Tamil-.vpf

[9] DTNext, A walk to explore the less seen side of Santhome on Christmas Eve, Published: Dec 24,201807:54 AM by Arpitha Rao

[10] https://www.dtnext.in/Lifestyle/Fashion/2018/12/24075457/1100459/A-walk-to-explore-the-less-seen-side-of-Santhome-on-.vpf

[11] The Hindu, Beauty brings down barriers, Kombai S Anwar, APRIL 27, 2017 16:26 IST, UPDATED: APRIL 27, 2017 16:26 IST

[12] https://www.thehindu.com/society/history-and-culture/ghazals-inside-a-church/article18252815.ece

Why Madurai Pastor followed the policy of “robbing peter to pay paul”? Do the Christians want to replay “Liberation Theology” again?

June 15, 2020

Why Madurai Pastor followed the policy of “robbing peter to pay paul”? Do the Christians want to replay “Liberation Theology” again?

Pastor arrested for stealing bikes TOI, 13-06-2020-1

Pastor Samuel, running Christian Brothers Assembly Church arrested for stealing bikes: As a pastor he was a man of God who had heard many a confession, but for pastor Vijayan Samuel  K. Vijayan alias Samuel, 38 (according to The Hindu), his judgment day came on Saturday, 13th June 2020, when he had to confess to his crimes and police recovered a dozen stolen two-wheelers from him[1]. The 36-year-old pastor, originally from Theni, was running a prayer hall [Christian Brothers Assembly Church] at a rented place at Thanakkankulam on the outskirts of Madurai for the past two years[2].  Investigation showed that he pledged the two-wheelers with a second-hand vehicle dealer, Selvam, 42, in Tirupparankundram[3]. He too was arrested. According to police, contributions to Samuel’s prayer hall dried up due to the coronavirus lockdown[4]. Though he had stopped congregation services, he had to pay rent for the building which was around Rs. 10,000 a month. The pastor literally found his calling in bikes parked on roadsides with keys intact and started stealing them. As he could not make both ends meet. Hence, he resorted to stealing bikes, especially women’s scooters with keys in the ignition.

Pastor arrested for stealing bikes TOI, 13-06-2020-2

Stealing bikes, pledging, getting money ad paying for Prayer Hall: He would watch out for vehicles left behind by owners in commercial areas such as SS Colony, Subramaniyapuram and Thirumangalam in the city. Using a copy of the vehicle records, he would pledge them for money. He gave three such stolen vehicles to his family members in Cumbum and a couple of them to people who took part in his prayer services, say police. Samuel ran out of luck when he took one such stolen vehicle to a mechanic on Bypass Road in the city recently for repair. The mechanic, who found the two-wheeler to be similar to one lost by his customer recently, informed him about it. The customer soon arrived and confirmed that it was his stolen vehicle. They both alerted the Subramanipuram police who promptly picked up Vijayan when he returned to take possession of the vehicle on Saturday, 13th June 2020. “He parked his motorbike in the vicinity and rode away with the two-wheeler,” a police officer said. “He returned after some time to pick up his bike.”

Samuel arrested for stealing bikes, Polymer news,13-06-2020

The police caught the Pastor: A crime police team, led by Inspector S. Priya, launched a search after six bikes were reported missing in the last six months[5]. The breakthrough came when a then sub-inspector, A. Jai Sankar, chanced upon a photo and video footage of a suspect in bike theft cases[6]. Police said Samuel pledged his motorbikes with Selvam for a paltry price. And when he took a motorbike, stolen in March, for repair to a workshop, the mechanic noted his details. After ascertaining Samuel’s whereabouts, a special team picked him up at Thanakkankulam. Eleven stolen motorbikes, six from Subramaniyapuram, four from S.S. Colony and one from Tirumangalam, were recovered. Samuel and Selvam were remanded to judicial custody.

“liberation theology” and “robbing peter to pay paul” working in India: During 1980s, the Christians started experimenting with “Liberation theology” in Tamilnadu[7]. There was a spurt of literature produced in this aspect. The books of John C. B. Webster had been repeatedly quoted by the Indian theologians who were advocating “liberation theology.”[8] Violence was also subtly advocated by interpreting Bible and exploiting Latin American model in Indian context. The Indian Bank at Mamanglam branch was looted by two Catholic pastors and they were arrested in April 1980[9]. Ponparapi, Meensurutti, Gangaikonda Cholapuram and other areas around Chidambaram became hiding places for the extremist liberation theologians, Naxalites and Tamil-separatist groups. “robbing peter to pay paul” has been consciously operating among these groups. As they wanted to wage war against the government, they did not repent from carrying out violent methods and even killing people. The details need not be discussed here, but, it is suffice to note that the “liberation theology” and “robbing peter to pay paul” have been working still in the minds of certain Christian groups that are very dangerous for the unity and integrity of India. Under the serious Carona conditions, these are happening means, Indians have to be careful to contain them.

Madurai area notorious for communal clashes and violence [1989]: In October 1989, clashes started when John Pandian, 36, a member of a Christian community, in a speech Sept. 14, 1989 reportedly offended higher castes by threatening to kidnap the local leader´s daughter and marry her[10]. CM Karunanidhi told journalists the trouble started when a Harijan (low-caste) woman was found murdered in nearby Meenakshipuram village. Investigations revealed she was murdered by a mentally deranged man, who was arrested and later released. Subsequently, Pandian, addressing a public meeting, made derogatory remarks about the village president and asked Harijans to marry the president´s daughter by force, Karunanidhi said. The remark led to violence, he added. More than 100 homemade pistols were seized in and around Bodinaickanur village, mostly from Harijans. Many non-Harijans in the area also reportedly possessed licenced firearms, making the task of police difficult. Tirunelveli, Pandian´s home district, and nearby Kanayakumari district have large concentrations of Christians. His fiery speeches have periodically made news, and he was arrested several times on criminal charges[11].

Lieration theology fr Asia, books

India, Indian society and Indian survive with all onslaughts: With 130 billion population, India has been existing with all inherent and external interferences, exploitations and attacks. Even during the emergency, disastrous and Carona periods, Indians have bee exhibiting their humane values and that is why all have been going on well. It is very easy for any writer, journalist researcher, Christian, Mohammedan, Communist and of any other categories to criticize Indians, Indian social system and processes, religious system and beliefs. But, generally, everything has been going on smoothly, unless, these external forces disturb. From the intrusion of non-Indians, Mohammedans of many categories, to the occupation of colonial Europeans of many nations and groups, Indians have been minding their duties and responsibilities and carrying on their daily routines.  They could look at their societies, self-assess, audit and account, before coming to India and criticize. They can honestly, sincerely and faithfully, examine. Apprise and adjudicate as to why the belief in God has been going down among their believers.

India is criticized and Indians disparaged with bias and prejudice: A few “rebellions,” “uprisings” and “upsurges,” they could not contain but resorted to the most heinous criminal methods killing Indians with brutal force. The Mohammedans and the colonial Europeans till date have no guts to come out with their record of killing Indiands during their reigns in India and other Sian counties. And now they want to advise, lecture and tutor about human rights, animal rights and so on. Now, the American and European societies have been witnessing riots, violence and killings. And the much-maligned Asians have been watching them to note how uncivilized they have been with all their sophisticated infrastructures, filthy richness and dominating snobbery. For western, non-Indian and mentally Christian scholars, they have always bias in their minds[12]. They write more exaggerating blowing mole into big proportions, without appreciating the values cherished[13]. Just with the religious arrogance and made-up mindset, they want to criticize everything that is Indian.

© Vedaprakash

15-06-2020

Lieration theology violence for Asia, books

[1] Times of India, Tamil Nadu pastor steals bikes to pay rent for prayer hall, V Devanathan | TNN | Updated: Jun 15, 2020, 09:49 IST

[2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/tamil-nadu-pastor-steals-bikes-to-pay-rent-for-prayer-hall/articleshow/76376682.cms

[3] Times Now, Unable to pay rent for prayer hall, TN pastor takes to stealing bikes; 12 vehicles recovered, Crime, Mirror Now DigitalMirror Now Digital, Updated Jun 15, 2020 | 13:32 IST

[4] https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror-now/crime/article/unable-to-pay-rent-for-prayer-hall-tn-pastor-takes-to-stealing-bikes-12-vehicles-recovered/606675

[5] The Hindu, Two arrested for bike theft, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, MADURAI, JUNE 14, 2020 18:07 IST

[6] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Madurai/two-arrested-for-bike-

theft/article31826859.ece

[7] Vedaprakash, Dalit Theology, Dalit Christianism, Dalit Christians: Problem, Myth, and Reality [1], August 15, 2015.

[8] https://socialsubstratum.wordpress.com/2015/08/15/dalit-christian-issue-exploited-by-indian-church-liberation-theology/

[9] Indian Express, Madras edition, April 10, 1986.

[10] Union of Catholic Asian News, Hindu Front blames Liberation Teology for communal riots in Madurai, , Updated: October 24, 1989 05:00 PM GMT

[11] https://www.ucanews.com/story-archive/?post_name=/1989/10/25/hindu-front-blames-liberation-theology-for-communal-riots-in-madurai&post_id=38777

[12] Wielenga, Bastiaan, It’s a long road to freedom: perspectives of biblical theology; the Old Testament, 1981.

[13] Wielenga, Bastiaan, Liberation Theology in Asia, in Rowland, Christopher (ed), The Cambridge companion to liberation theology. Cambridge University Press, 1999, pp.55-78.

What S. Balakrishnan wants in the context of breaking codes of IVC –  how his pro-Tamil and fixed research could bring unbiased results?

February 24, 2020

What S. Balakrishnan wants in the context of breaking codes of IVC –  how his pro-Tamil and fixed research could bring unbiased results?

Needed coding- Outlook Magazine March 2020

I came across a FB dialogue in the context of Keeladi and it appears interesting and hence, I want to discuss. Actually, it is about the book, “Journey of A Civilization: Indus to Vaigai” by R. Balakrishnan. It has been received by one N. Sathiya Moorthy and appeared in the Outlook magazine dated March 2020. It has been duly circulated / shared by RB and his friends. Of course, there have been comments also. As it involves dating and two civilizations as they mention – Tamil and Vedic, as they decided, the review has been taken up for critical study.

Journey of civilization - book launch Dec.2019

Hindutva and pan-Tamil social media have been rivalling each other in propagating the relative antiquity[1]: The reviewer of R. Balakrishnan book started[2], “At a time when Hindutva and pan-Tamil social media have been rivalling each other in propagating the relative antiquity of the culture and scientific temper of their forebears without challenging each other, R. Balakrishnan keeps it academic, strengthening internal evidence to establish the ‘Dravidian heritage’ of the Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC),” thus, he decided that the groups mentioned have been at loggerheads. However,, the so-called Hindutwa groups have never faced the pro-Tamil groups, in the way the reviewer tried to equate and interpret or compare. The fact has been the pro-Tamil groups have been carrying on aggressive propaganda in all ways, where the Hindutwa groups are no match to them.

Vaigai river civilization, politicized

Does Balakrishnan stays away from controversy?: He went on[3], “Balakrishnan, honorary consul­tant at the Indus Research Centre (IRC) of Chennai’s Roja Muthiah Research Library, has stayed away from controversy, relying instead on scholarship, analytical facts and extensive reading of previous Indus and other archaeological and socio-anthropological studies to establish onomastic[4] linkages, based on commonplace and people names, between IVC and ancient Dravidian/Tamil culture and civilisation.” But, he has been pro-Tamil attitude only without considering the other source materials. RB has been in the habit of reading and interpreting place names as names appearing in the “Sangam literature.” However, he never reads all the names of villages, cities and towns situated in and around such places.

Tamil tons in Afganistan, Pakistan - IVC

Reading the names of villages, cities and towns as Tamil: He went on to explain his methodology as, “It is likely that such a detailed comparison of names of places and persons in present-day Pakistan, Afghanistan on the one hand and ‘Dravidian’ Tamil Nadu on the other would not have been possible without computer software. The linkages that the aut­hor has established between the ‘KVT commonality’ of place names (Korkai, Vanchi and Thondi), among others, in anci­ent Tamil Nadu and present-day Pakistan linked to IVC studies is fascinating”. As long as Balakrishnan could read the names of cities and towns of Afganistan, Sindh, Pakistan etc., it would be that of “arumin” reading of I. Mahadevan. Of course, he declared, “neti, neti,” with caution, but, Ballakishnan has been proceeding with a fixed agenda to prove that everything is Tamil. Ironically, his friend, the so-called “Orissa Balu” has also been doing that wherever he goes[5]. He does not require any historical or archaeological evidences.

R B declaed that IVC was Dravidian 2018

Before Vaigai excavations, Balakrishnan decides its nature: He went on to explain the ongoing excavation as, “The reference to the southern Tamil Nadu river Vaigai in the title relates to the ongoing archaeological research at the Keeladi neighbourhood. Balakrishnan, like many predecessors, has acc­epted a north-south migration as ‘Indus to Vaigai’ suggests, though the rev­erse might have been equally true, given that both civilisations were seafarers of repute and were trading, hence migrating. Alternatively, the two might have co-existed, and one might have outlived the other, about which independent studies may have to be undertaken”. Thus, though, the excavations are going on, he would come to conclusion. In other words, the archaeology should follow what the pro-Tamil researcher order or expect. His suggestion that the migrated people to Vaigai, was talking in Tamil there at IVC, becomes meaningless. If RB accepted a “north-south migration,” then, what about AIT? He has to come out with an explicit stand.

R B declaed that IVC was Dravidian 2016- Tamil book

The people of Maharastra and Gujarat could be speaking Tamil[6]: He went on to explain his looking below Gujarat and Maharastra as, “Balakrishnan has gone further to peel off layers of IVC-Dravidian linkages through a closer study of ‘Dravidian Gujarat’ and ‘Dravid­ian Maharashtra’ in the north and IVC ‘vestiges’ of the Kongu and Nagarathar communities in present-day Tamil Nadu. In particular, his substantial references to IVC-era excavations at Adhichanallur on the banks of the Tamirabarani and later-day works at Keeladi (Keezhadi) on the Vaigai, make the study more relevant”. Thus, the Gujarat and Maharastra people could be speaking Tamil, before they could know Sanskrit or their languages. Without giving any historical evidence, he goes on building hypothesis on hypothesis and concludes.

Keeladi, Outloook dating as 6000 BCE

Keeladi date 6000 BCE?[7]: He went on to explain the datings of Keeladi as, “Recent studies by the Tamil Nadu archaeology department and of the ASI in Keeladi, respectively, in 2003-05 and 2018-19, add value and validation. Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-­­Brahmi script older by 3000 years or so, at 6000 BCE. Against this, IVC is commonly dated at 3000-1300 BCE and by some at 5000 BCE. The antiquity of the Vedic Age is put at 1500-1100 BCE”. Thus, here, the cat has come out of the bag.  So they want to go before the Vedic period! This was pointed out by researcher K. V. Ramakrishna Rao in the FB column of Balakrishnan, but, it was reportedly deleted. However, as he posted the same in other “Outlook” sharings, two persons responded – Mani Manivannan and Sivarama KKrishna SK.  Initially, Mani Manivannan was defensive, “I am not sure where 6000 BCE in the article.” However, Sivarama Kkrishnan SK responded, “Sir, it seems it’s outlook magazine view which they have posted in their review or may be a typo error. But not Balakrishnan sir view, he has no where spoken this in his book.” When K. V. Ramakrishna Rao pointed out that it was in circulation, they informed that it was corrected. In other words, the line, “Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-Brahmi script older by 3000 years or so, at 6000 BCE,” was changed to, “Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-Brahmi script older by 300 years or so, at 600 BCE”.

Keeladi, Outloook corrected dates as 580 BCE

Balakrishnan’s ‘Dravidian hypothesis’[8]: He went on to explain the ‘Dravidian hypothesis’ as, “In contextualising the ‘Dravidian hypothesis’ of the IVC, Balakrishnan readily concedes that a clearer picture could emerge if and only if the ‘Indus Code’ is deciphered, and a bilingual format found to fix the gaps in the current understanding of IVC. In doing so, he stops with establishing name-based connectivity between the two and has stuck to well-accepted ‘migration’ theories, indicating it is the Indus peoples who had moved down south—taking names and place names with them”. Thus, without breaking the code or deciphering the pictogram or script, he has decided that it should be “Dravidian”! In local media, he has been advocating that IVC should be called as “Dravidian land.” How then, he could look at scientifically without bias about the existing evidences. In spite of his claims made, he is not aking the DNA analysis etc., for his interpretation, but sticking to “Dravidian hypotheses” and theories[9].

KVR pointing out Balakrishnan review-outlook-1

IVC was Tamil only, as the place-names could be read, only in Tamil and not in Sanskrit: He went on to argue about the Sangam words as, “Yet, most meanings and explanations that he offers to the words flow from the Sangam literature or other Tamil sources. Considering that Sanskrit and Tamil have varying antiquities, though one might have borrowed words and phrases from the other, most of the person and place-names that the author has identified as common to anc­ient Tamil Nadu and IVC do not find a place in Vedic literature. As he has established, more literary linkages have rem­ained between IVC and ancient Tamil Nadu, rather than between IVC and Vedic north, whichever preceded the other”. How then, he is going to explain the gap of 2250-1950 BCE and 580-300 BCE gap? Why the Sangam people should take more than 2000 years to compose their poetry?

KVR pointing out Balakrishnan review-outlook-2

Balakrishnan has dedicated his work to the late Indus researcher Iravatham Maha­de­van: “Balakrishnan has dedicated his work to the late Indus researcher Iravatham Maha­de­van, who is acclaimed for his work on the ‘Tamil Brahmi’ script. Journey of a Civilisation is a must-read for students of archaeology and socio-anthropology. The publishers should try to take it to a larger audience, through a condensed version, but using com­­monly-spelt names (Silappadikaram ins­­­tead of Cilapaticaram) for the non-academic reader to relate to and identify with,” N. Sathiya Moorthy ended his write-up in this way. And we do not know what ideology he belongs to. Anyway, I Mahadevan had been a dedicated IVC researcher and done excellent work in preparing the concordance.

IVC is Tamil civilization, R. Balakrishnan

The Vaigai Valley Civilisation[10]: About “Vaigai Civilization,” he and his friends discussed and “The Hindu” carried a detailed report last November 2019 with the opinion of the TN government and the ideologists[11]. The Keeladi findings have led academics to describe the site as part of the Vaigai Valley Civilisation. The findings have also invited comparisons with the Indus Valley Civilisation. A researcher of the Indus Valley Civilisation and retired civil servant, R. Balakrishnan, points to the similarities in urban planning between the Indus Valley and Keeladi.  Rajan refers to the cultural gap of 1,000 years between the two places: “This cultural gap is generally filled with Iron Age material in south India. The graffiti marks encountered in Iron Age sites of south India serve as the only residual links between the Indus Valley Civilisation and south India.” Some of the symbols found in potsherds of Keeladi bear a close resemblance to Indus Valley signs. There is already a demand in the region to expand the excavation to more areas along the Vaigai so that there is archaeological evidence to prove the glory of life along the river in the ancient Pandya kingdom. Noted epigraphist V. Vedachalam supports the idea of an extended excavation beginning in Madurai. R. Balakrishnan accepted, However, more excavations have to be carried out in the Vaigai and Tamirabarani regions to conclusively figure out how close the Vaigai civilisation was to the Indus Valley in “temporal terms”. More excavations in the region are required, he says, along with timely submission of reports.

© Vedaprakash

24-02-2020

Keeladi dating-Sivaramakrishnan respose-outlook

[1] Incidentally, on 22-02-2020, the Hindutwa group realigned under “Centre for South India Studies,” arranged a meeting on Keeladi, but, not publicized. Thus, the purpose of the meeting has been defeated. Dr B.S. Harishankar came to Chennai, but, they failed to take advantage, as the media has been mum about the meeting. They should have consulted academicians or the persons who have contacts with historians etc., so that the meeting could have been made more fruitful, instead of keeping it within four walls.

[2] The Outlook, Needed: Indus Code Breakers, N. Sathiya Moorthy 02 March 2020. Review of R. Balakrishnan book

[3] https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/books-needed-indus-code-breakers/302820

[4] Onomastic – has been study of history and origin of proper names, just like etymological study.

[5]  He takes all piece-meal details in photos, news reports and other details and declares that all are Tamil, Tamil was spoken throughout the world and so on.

[6]  I have listened to the speeches of S. Balakrishnan at the auditorium of the Tamil Virtual Academy and I could note that his habitual way of interpreting the poems of Pattuppattu and Ettuttogai in his own way and tries to link with Tamil and Tamil people. He is not worried about  what the Tamil scholas, pundits and related experts have recorded in their commentaries and writings of and about the “Sangam literature.”

[7] About the dating of Kelladi, already, controversy has been going on, as they have not publicly exhibited the dating of other 5 or 6 samples sent to Beta Analytics and dated. I have already pointed out earlier when I asked Beta Analytics, they refused and when I wrote to TN State archaeological department, they have not replied so far. Therefore, under such circumstances, again, why they play with datings is intriguing.

[8] R. Balakrishnan, The ‘High-West: Low-East’ Dichotomy of Indus Cities: A Dravidian Paradigm, Bulletin of Indus Research Centre, No. 3, December 2012, Roja Muthiah Research Library, Chennai.

[9] Ironically, many Hindutwa guys support him directly and indirectly. Iravatham Mahadevan used to talk with them nicely in person, but, react exactly opposite, the moment they left. Here, how Balakrishnan has been – not known.

[10] The Hindu, Keeladi: Unearthing the ‘Vaigai Valley’ Civilisation of Sangam era Tamil Nadu, NOVEMBER 02, 2019 00:15 IST; UPDATED: NOVEMBER 02, 2019 12:16 IST

[11] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/unearthing-an-ancient-civilisation/article29856930.ece

 

DMK, Dravida and Black Parivar have been anti-Hindu or not ?: “Mount Road Mahavishnu,” marital alliance with Iyengars, tirade against Rama and Ramayana [1]

September 28, 2018

DMK, Dravida and Black Parivar have been anti-Hindu or not? “Mount Road Mahavishnu,” marital alliance with Iyengars, tirade against Rama and Ramayana [1]

Stalin response to The Hindu 23-09-2018

Why DMK took difference stand in the General Council?: The Dravidian parties, particularly, the Dravidar Kazhagam and Drvida Munnetrak Kazhagam with all their splinter groups operating under different banners have been consistently, atheist, that too, anti-Hindu since inception. With the presence of BJP felt now, they have been jittery and tried to change their stand. In deed, the DMK was in NDA, in spite of their anti-Hindi, anti-north, anti-Aryan, anti-Hindu and so on. Now, also, the possibility of Dravidian parties aligning with BJP for the 2019 elections, as is openly discussed in the media, DMK tries to clarify its position. Under the circumstances, in “The Hindu,” the report / news appeared has been interesting and intriguing also, as it has not appeared in other newspapers[1]. “The Hindu” Reporter reportedly asked, “You have taken a stand on God in the party’s general council for the first time. Was it because you feel that it is difficult to run a campaign against God and religion especially after the BJP’s growth or are you seeking to put an end to the criticism that the DMK is anti-Hindu?”.  For this Stalin responded as follows[2]:

Cases on anti-hindu karu

Stalins’s detailed reply to the question as to DMK has been anti-Hindu: Stalin responded, “I would like to give a detailed reply. Anna proclaimed that there was “one God and one race”. He also said, “I would not break Pillaiyar, neither will I break coconut for him.” Kalaignarhas reiterated this point many times. But a section deliberately suppresses these facts and seeks to portray us as atheist and anti-Hindu. When Anna talked about God, he took a cue from Bharathiyar’s lines, “Oh ignorant! You are in search for a thousand Gods.” Kalaignar always had a non-partisan approach. He never imposed his ideas and beliefs on others. He was not against faith in God or in religion. Why should he desilt the Kapaleeswarar temple tank if he was against the faith? Would he have come forward to repair a portion of the Tiruvannamalai temple when it collapsed? Would he have taken efforts to run the Tiruvarar temple car in 1969 which remained idle for 20 years and allowed Mannai Narayanansamy, who was a minister in his cabinet, to participate in it?

Atheists exploiting Krishna etc

Karunanidhi’s stand on Hindu religion and Hindus: Stalin’s detailed reply continued, “Just listen to what Kalaignar had said about the Hindus: “If everyone followed the tenets of Hinduism, as preached by Vivekananda, nothing could be greater than it. I am not against it. Since Muslims and Christians are minorities we have to support them to instill confidence among them. At the same time it is wrong not to support the Hindus because they are a majority.” When I spoke about God, I kept in mind the ideas of Anna and Kalaignar. The DMK has never preached against the God and religion as you assume. Those who could not directly face the socio, economic and political ideas of the DMK indulge in a mischievous campaign that the party is against God and Hindus. Kalaignar has always respected faiths and beliefs of people of all religions. DMK has campaigned against those who propagate communalism and fundamentalism with a view to destroying pluralism and communal harmony and seek to divide the nation. It will do it in the future also.I can only laugh at your suggestion that the BJP has grown. You ask neutral people to find out whether it is growing or declining”. However, this has not been the first time to respond in this fashion, as almost, he responded in the same manner, in 2015 also.

Stalin response to The Hindu 23-09-2018.my reply appearing

Responses to “The Hindu” as appearing in the “online”: I responded as follows  under that report, “As I have been listening to them since 1960s, I know Stalin is telling lies. That EVR broke Vinayaka idols is well-known to all, therefore, what Anna said is immaterial. Karunanidhi drank gruel and ate cake, but not any prasad, but, abused Hindu God. Had they really understood Vivekananda, then Karunanidhi would not have attempted to evict “Vivekanda House” from Ice-house. EVR, Anna and Karunanidhi never questioned Mohammedan and Christian scriptures and Gods, as they did against Hindu. Even in atheism, they could not follow secular atheism and that only exposes their duplicity” and in Tamil also. The other replies appearing clearly prove that the readers have not believed the story, as all know the true colours of Stalin and DMK.

Stalin response to The Hindu 17-10-2015

Same reply came from Stalin in 2015 also and “The Hindu” published[3]: Refuting the allegations that the DMK was anti-Hindu, party treasurer M.K. Stalin said 90 per cent of the party cadres were Hindus and their family members had faith in religion and god[4].  “There is a well-planned campaign to project that the DMK is anti-Hindu. But the family members of party leaders and cadre have faith in god. Even my wife is visiting all temples across the State and I never once asked her not to go. We do not stand in the way of those who have faith,” he told  The Hindu . Stalin, who had a meeting with a team of temple priests in Kumbakonam, said he visited Thirukoshtiyur temple in the first phase of his tour because it was there Saint Ramanuja, ignoring the warning of his teacher, climbed the temple tower and spoke aloud so that everyone could know what he had been taught.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur-2

The claim of followers of Thirumoolar: “We, the followers of Anna, have faith in Thirumoolar’s dictum  Ontrey Kulam Oruvaney Devan  (There is one community and one God). Our leader Kalaignar wrote dialogues for the tele-serial Ramanuja, because it was he who had paved way for entry of all communities, including Dalits, into the temples,” he said.  Rejecting the allegation that he was visiting temples and meeting priests in view of the coming election, the DMK leader said that he respected the sentiments of all sections of people and even in the past had visited temples and accepted the  poorna kumbam .  “I began Namakku Naamey in Kanyakumari and there I called on leaders of all religions. I have visited mosques and I have been invited to visit the church at Velankanni. Our leader is always given warm reception at Saidapet temple during election campaigns,” he said.  Asked about the feedback to his tour, he said people in the State were looking for a change and the DMK was the only alternative.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur

The 2015-drama of meeting “Bhattars, Archakas” etc: Actually, for “Namakku Namee” program, he was campaigning im Thajavur areas in September 2015 with his party cadres. He suddenly entered Sowmya Narayana temple at Thirukostiyur. His party cadres were reportedly taken aback, as it was not of the program[5]. However, the priests there welcomed with “Purnakumbam,” the traditional way of welcoming VIPs[6]. After going through the temple, he also had a “darshan” of the 106 feet high Gopura from which Sri Ramauja preached[7]. Perhaps, he tried to repeat “Ramanuja” to fool others. Because of the “Ramanuja” teleserial, some Vaishnavites started praising Karunanidhi. But, later, they came to know his hatred against Vaishnavism, as he blasphemed Rama, Ramayana etc. He also supported the goups that burned Rama pictures and conducted “Ravana Leela”! Thus, it is evident that he had gone there as an enthusiast rather than a devotee. Then he had meetings at Tiruvarur and other districts. He also met Bhattars, Archakas  etc., in Kamatchi Amman Kalyana mantap[8].  He also met the Bishop and other Christian representatives. Therefore, it is typical “secular drama” played by the anti-Hindu Stain nothing else.

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Tirukostiyur-3

Stalin wanted to know about “Thirukulathar” etc – PTI news 2015[9]: M K Stalin, DMK Treasurer, paid a surprise visit to an ancient Vaishnavite temple here during his ongoing state-wide tour to connect with people ahead of next year’s assembly elections in Tamil Nadu. Stalin, accompanied by his wife Durga, was welcomed with “poornakumbha mariyathai” (temple honours) by priests and officials at the entrance of the famous Sri Sowmya Narayanaswamy temple here in Sivaganga District. It was from the top of this temple tower that the 11th century revolutionary Vaishnavite saint Sri Ramanuja delivered the sacred “Ashtakshara” mantra – “Ohm Namo Narayanaya” – to the entire people of the village, defying his guru’s direction not to reveal it to anyone.Incidentally, Stalin’s father and DMK chief M Karunanidhi has written the script for a serial on Sri Ramanuja which is being telecast on ‘Kalaignar TV’ Stalin was taken to the tower from which Saint Ramanuja preached the important mantra to all the people so that they could get the blessings of Lord Narayana. This was the first time that a top level leader of DMK openly visited the temple, its officials said. Temple’s traditional priest for reciting Tamil hymns Tirukoshtiyur Madhavan told PTI that Stalin sought to know about Saint Ramanuja’s visit to the temple and the saint’s gesture in revealing the mantra and its meaning to all people irrespective of caste[10]. The priest also said Stalin visited the shrines of Sri Ramanuja and his guru (Thirukoshtiyur Nambi). Stalin asked “whether is it not Saint Ramanuja who named the Dalits as “Thirukulathaar” (son’s of Goddess Lakshmi), thousand years before Gandhi called them “Harijan“(People of Lord Vishnu)“. The DMK Treasurer, considered political heir apparent to Karunanidhi, has been meeting various sections of people and hearing their grievances in his campaign which he launched on September 20, 2015 to cover all 234 assembly constituencies in the state.

© Vedaprakash

27-09-2018

Stalin visited temple- 2015-Vaishnava-Saiva priests meet

[1] The Hindu, Stalin sees a bid to portray DMK as anti-God, anti-Hindu; terms it mischievous, B. Kolappan, SEPTEMBER 23, 2018 22:34 IST; UPDATED: SEPTEMBER 24, 2018 18:29 IST

[2] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/stalin-interview/article25022253.ece

[3] The Hindu, DMK – not anti-Hindu, B. Kolappan, October 17, 2015 00:00 IST; UPDATED: October 17, 2015 10:30 IST

[4] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/dmk-is-not-antihindu-stalin/article7772219.ece

[5]விகடன், மனைவியுடன் ஸ்டாலின் கோவிலுக்கு திடீர்வருகைசாமி தரிசனம்கட்சியினரிடையே பரபரப்பு!, Posted Date : 13:03 (29/09/2015)Last updated : 13:43 (29/09/2015)

[6]  https://www.vikatan.com/news/tamilnadu/53036.html

[7]தமிள்ஸ்.நவ்.நியூஸ், திமுக இந்து எதிர்ப்பு இயக்கம் அல்ல: மு  ஸ்டாலின், அக்டோபர் 17, 2015.

[8] http://tamilsnow.com/?p=62030

[9] The Hindu Businessline, TN: Stalin pays surprise temple visit, PTI, Published on September 29, 2015

[10] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/tn-stalin-pays-surprise-temple-visit/article7702918.ece

“Mad man” throwing chappal on Swami Ranganatha and the “wild” elephant killing mahout in Samayapuram!

May 26, 2018

“Mad man” throwing chappal on Swami Ranganatha and the “wild” elephant killing mahout in Samayapuram!

SriRangam - The Hindu version - 25-05-2018

The extreme, fanatical and radical groups  acting in Dravidastan: Sri Rangam has been sacred place, pilgrimage centre and abode of Gods and Goddesses for believing and devouted Hindus. However, it has been the target of the rabid Dravidian leaders from 1970 onwards by Annadurai, Karunanidhi, to anti-Hindu K. Viramani. When the former categories declared that, “The day the idols of Sri Ranganatha and Thillai Nataraja were destroyed with bombardments of tanks, that day is golden day for us.” As such venomous words were poured from the Chief Ministers of Tamilnadu and they always exhibited their anti-Hindu rants openly, such people have taken later that such type of shouts are allowed in the “Dravidian parlance.” The extreme, fanatical and radical groups have been targeting Sri Rangam by all means thereafter. The archbishop Arulappa also caught hold of Sri Rangam “Ganesh Iyer” converted to “Acharya Paul” for manufacturing evidences to promote “thomas myth” in India in 1980s. The bigoted K. Viramani installed a “Periyar statue” in the public road, in front of the Sri Rangam temple. The extreme Naxalite and CPML gang entered the temple and created problem. Now “a mad man” enters the sanctum sanctorum with knife, scissors, chappal etc. And then, the elephant became “wild” suddenly at Samyapuram temple to trample its mahout next day.

Chappal thrwon on Renganatha, Srirangam, 24-05-2018

Attacking temples, temple priests, looting temples and properties have become order of the day: As the people of Tamilnadu, have been living under these extreme, fundamentalist and fanatic groups since 1970s, and they have already witnessed, the so-called “Periyar” with all his “analytical wisdom” breaking Vinayaka idols, the black shirt DK gangs garlanding Rama, Sita, Lakhsmana with chappals and beating with chappals carrying in a procession, many temples and mutts attacked on one or the other pretext, for all the political incidences, the poor Brahmins were targeted, abused, beaten, their sacred threads cut, why even cut with aruval / knives without any reason, they may take these “incidences” as a part of neo-iconoclasts, modern-day Mohammedans and Indian brand of ISIS terrorists. Poor Hindus may continue pray and keep silence, “God would take care of”! About the looting temples and mutts, their properties, one need not explain, as it has become the order of the day.

Person who threw chappal- Srirangam 24-05-2018

Whether the obnoxious things brought inside were thrown or dropped inside sanctom sanctorium?: A 29-year-old man holding a soiled bag near the sanctum sanctorum at the Srirangam Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple caused anxious moments on 23-05-2018, Wednesday morning[1]. “The Hindu” says it is Wednesday, whereas, other papers point out, it was Thursday! The man, identified as R. Dharmaraj of Thiruvadaimaruthur in Thanjavur district, was said to be mentally unstable[2]. It is not known as to how the “mentally unstable” person has chosen Sri Rangam temple, when, there have been so many temples in and around Tanjore. Dharmaraj was standing in the queue along with other devotees around 10.30 a.m. when he dropped his bag on the step near the sanctum sanctorum, causing a flutter. The temple staff took him out and found a scissors, a penknife and discarded clothes in the bag. The incident went viral on social media and it was claimed that the man had flung the bag near the sanctum sanctorum. Temple authorities, however, maintained that the man had dropped the bag on the step near the sanctum sanctorum. So here also, the secular interpretation comes as to whether “the obnoxious things brought inside were thrown or dropped inside sanctum sanctorium.” How it has crossed all the security checks was also not explained by the authorities.

HR CE complaint to police 24-05-2018

Afterwards declarations, complaints show that the authorities wanted to hush up the issue: The Hindu goes on to explain, “The temple authorities performed Panchakavya Prokshana, a cleansing ritual, after the incident. The police said Dharmaraj had abused the temple security staff and prevented them from discharging their duty when they checked the bag. The Srirangam police arrested Dharmaraj and booked a case against him. The temple authorities have placed a request before the police to check personal belongings of devotees at all the three entrances of the shrine before letting them inside, and to intensify surveillance and security”. The same news has been reported by the TOI[3] as, “TRICHY: The Srirangam police arrested a 27-year-old man for preventing temple staff from discharging their duties and intimidating them with dire consequences after he was questioned for throwing a bag containing a knife inside Srirangam Ranganathaswamy temple on Thursday.” So, if one has to believe that this “mentally unstable” person could prevent the entire security personnel of the temple at mercy! Thus, the persons with “analytical wisdom” have to believe the story. And it happened next day as follows.

Elephant trampling mahout, Srirangam, 25-05-2018

Mahout trained elephant becoming wild and trampling him: Samayapuram Mariamman Temple remains closed after the temple elephant trampled G Gajendran, the mahout to death on 25-05-2018, Friday. Samayapuram Mariamman Temple remains closed after the temple elephant trampled the mahout to death on Friday[4]. Police said the incident took place near the temple premises premises in full view of shocked devotees. The mahout of the temple elephant of Samayapuram Mariamman Temple near Tiruchi was trampled to death by the pachyderm on Friday. The 12-year-old female elephant crushed the 42-year-old mahout under its legs at 11 am when devotees were moving towards the sanctum sanctorum for worship. “Masini was brought to the temple at 10.50 am by Gajendran. In the next ten minutes, it turned violent and pushed the mahout to the ground and trampled him. His body was taken out later,” superintendent of police, Trichy district, Zia Ul Haq told TOI[5]. Everyone knows elephants cannot become wild, unless they are provoked with extreme activities. Police said that devotees ran helter-skelter to safeguard themselves and in the chaos two women and a child were injured. Temple employees closed the gates of the area to prevent a rampage by the elephant. A video of the elephant trampling the mahout is also in circulation.

Samayapuram -elephant trampling mahout - 25-05-2018

Calm and co-operative elephant cannot become wild targeting only mahout and not any other: The video shows Masini stamping Gajendran multiple times, while someone raises an alarm. The incident triggered panic among the people in and around the temple. “Masini was generally very calm and cooperative. I wonder what provoked it to go out of control. The mahout usually brings it to the temple in the morning and takes it back to its shelter by night,” said a local resident, V P Muniappan[6]. On getting information, a team led by regional joint director of animal husbandry, Trichy Dr A Murugan rushed to the temple. He said that Masini got furious after someone allegedly pulled some hair from its tail, when it was blessing a couple who got married in the temple. The attempts of the mahout to calm the elephant down failed and it vented its anger on him. Forest department officials brought a kumki elephant to the temple to control Masini. While a team of veterinarians was about to administer tranquiliser, some mahouts managed to calm the elephant. Masini was then chained in a room inside the temple. Authorities planned to take Masini back to its shelter on Friday night with the help of the kumki elephant. Darshan was suspended following the tragedy and is expected to resume on Saturday. Samayapuram police registered a case based on a complaint by an eyewitness, G Achutan, 19. Preliminary investigations revealed that the elephant was not chained on Friday. Gajendran’s body was taken to Srirangam government hospital for post-mortem. He was a resident of Mahalikudi near Samayapuram and is survived by his wife, three sons and a daughter.

What should be done?: The Hindus should insist for the following:

  1. The Dravidian ideologists should change or the people should change them.
  2. They cannot play double game with the Hindu believers.
  3. Their tongues should be held hereafter, if they want to criticize Hindu religion, scriptures etc.
  4. Even under the category of “analytical wisdom,” Periyarism etc., they cannot do that.
  5. The rabid elements cannot be nurtured and protected under the guise of “imbalanced, disturbed etc., ” as such people cannot enter temple.
  6. The atheists, party members and other anti-Hindu type people should be expelled from the temple, including HR & CE.
  7. The secuirity ceck should be thorough and there should not be any deviation, evem for employee.
  8. The anti-Hindu forces, their movements trough the city within the seven prakaras should not be allowed under any pretext.
  9. Such elements, shop-keepers and others can be expelled.
  10. Sri Rangam temple should be protected just like “Golden temple” with seven prakaras and walls.

 

© Vedaprakash

26-05-2018

SriRangam -elephant trampling mahout - 25-05-2018

[1] The Hindu, ‘Disturbed’ man creates a flutter at Srirangam, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, TIRUCHI, MAY 25, 2018 01:23 IST; UPDATED: MAY 25, 2018 01:23 IST

[2] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/disturbed-man-creates-a-flutter-at-srirangam/article23982514.ece

[3] Times of India, Man arrested for lobbing bag with knife inside temple, TNN | Updated: May 25, 2018, 13:36 IST

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/man-arrested-for-lobbing-bag-with-knife-inside-temple/articleshow/64310642.cms

[4] The Hindu, Samayapuram temple elephant tramples mahout to death, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT TIRUCHI, MAY 25, 2018 12:23 IST; UPDATED: MAY 25, 2018 12:57 IST.

[5] Times of India, Samayapuram temple elephant tramples its mahout to death, TNN | May 26, 2018, 00:42 IST

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/samayapuram-temple-elephant-tramples-its-mahout-to-death/articleshow/64325474.cms

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy – Kamimozhi’s dubious talk about her visit to Tirumala (3)

January 13, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy – Kamimozhi’s dubious talk about her visit to Tirumala (3)

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-biometric

Photo courtesy: TTD

Kanimozhi entering temple…

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Kalyanakatta

Photo courtesy: TTD

At Kalyana katta, where, devotees are given free tonsure – Kanimozhi seen listening to Venkauya Naidu.

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-standing at tonsure.2

Photo courtesy: TTD

The women members had symbolic tonsure just cutting few strands of hair-bits or touching with scissors!

Kanimozhi-went to Tirumala-standing at tonsure

Photo courtesy: TTD

The women members went in a queue – Kani in her turn!

Kanimozhi’s visit to Tirumala in 2012 and criticism made in 2017: Kanimozhi, the Rajya Sabha MP claimed that she visited Tirumala, as a member of the Committee under Venkaiah Naidu, during her controversial speech made at the WAC, Trichy on 06-01-2018. She had claimed that she had recently visited the popular Tirupati Tirumala temple in Andhra Pradesh[1]. Kanimozhi said she, along with some other MPs, was taken to the temple by Vice President Venkaiah Naidu, as a part of a Home Affairs Committee, through a special route arranged for the group[2].  “If you give more money and buy a ticket you get special dharsanam [visit]. If not, you stand for 10 hours, 20 hours or two days. That is god………He (accompanied MP) told me that all their wishes are being granted and they are being protected…I then asked him, there is a money collection box right in front of the god. Why is there a security personnel with a stun gun protecting it? People who run the temple are not confident that god can protect the money collection box. Why should I believe in god?”…..” When TNM contacted Kanimozhi she was unfazed by the opposition that the speech has garnered[3]. “Whatever happens, I will face it legally. I said this at an Atheist Conference,” she says[4]. This made me to dig into her visit, because, as an atheist, she should not have visited the temple. The background of the visit and the details are as follows.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- viwing queue

Photo courtesy: TTD

Why and how Kanimozhi visited Tirumala and also SHAR, and Kalpakkam in November 2012?: As a part of a Home Affairs Committee, kanimozhi visited the Tirumala temple on November 12, 2012. The team paid a visit to both –

  • the pilgrim-choked Vaikuntam queue complexes,
  • Kalyanakatta and
  • Matrusri Tarigonda Vengamamba free meals complex and
  • the TTD-run Aswini hospital[5].

Prominent among others who were present were included members of the committee –

  1. Kanimozhi,
  2. Raman Deka,
  3. Santosh Chowdary,
  4. Ravneet Singh,
  5. Neeraj Sekhar,
  6. TTD Executive Officer L.V. Subramanyam,
  7. JEO K.S. Srinivasa Raju,
  8. CVSO G.V.G. Ashok Kumar
  9. and others[6].

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs headed by BJP leader Venkaiah Naidu on Friday (November 12, 2012) expressed satisfaction over the security arrangements being made by the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD) atop the sacred shrine of Lord Venakteswara. Talking to media persons, Mr. Naidu said that the committee has been visiting several important places in the country, including Tirumala, SHAR, and Kalpakkam to study the existing security mechanism at all the places. He said that the committee was also scheduled meet the top brass of the TTD officials, intelligence officials and the officials of the State Home Department on Saturday in Tirupati wherein issues relating to disaster management and security mechanism will be discussed. Besides this, the committee will also discuss issues relating to the marine security in the coastal belt apart from the proposal to bring Tirumala under the ‘no-fly’ zone category. The TTD authorities on their part explained to the team the various initiatives being adopted by the temple administration towards crowd management, queue system and the amenities being extended to pilgrims visiting Tirumala.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- viwing queue-2

Photo courtesy: TTD

Kanimozhi had special darsham tirth, prasad and saree: There have been many official reports, videos of the TTD and TV channels, News reports in English and Telugu as to why she visited the temple, what she did and other details:

  1. Kanimozhi visited the Tirumala temple on November 12, 2012 as a part of a Home Affairs Committee, to inspect the security arrangements being made by the Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams (TTD).
  2. She met the top brass of the TTD officials, intelligence officials and the officials of the State Home Department on Saturday in Tirupati wherein issues relating to disaster management and security mechanism.
  3. She verified the various initiatives being adopted by the temple administration towards crowd management, queue system and the amenities being extended to pilgrims visiting Tirumala.
  4. She had gone to Kalyanakatta where tonsure is made that involves hygiene and other issues. When two women member had symbolic tonsure, she was there and joined them.
  5. Went to Pushkarni to note the maintenance, refilling of water etc.
  6. She had special darshan of Sri Venkatswara, had tirth and prasadam. She also received a saree given by the TTD.
  7. Went to free-meals section, inspected the vessels for the cooking of food that is fed to thousands daily.
  8. Went to laddu counter, where, laddu and other prasadams were given free to her.
  9. She visited the temple to pray Sri Venkateswara to clear all problems, she was facing.

 

 

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- entering inside

Photo courtesy: TTD

Kanimozhi crossing Vaikundam entry entrance….

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- way to Darshan

Photo courtesy: TTD

Reaching “Way to Darshan”!!!!

What Kanimozhi spoke on 06-01-2018 at the WAC: From 12-11-2012 to 06-01-2018, what happened to he exposes her psyche.

What Kanimozhi talked Comments
 “If you give more money and buy a ticket you get special dharsanam [visit]. First of all, as an atheist, you should not have visited the temple.

As even when non-Hindus visit, they sign a form that I believe in Sri Venkateswara, you must have signed.

If not, Venkaiya Naidu should be held responsible for violating the norms.

As they went to inspect, evidently, they signed.

 If not, you stand for 10 hours, 20 hours or two days. That is god……… You should have waited, paid and went side, but, you enjoyed VVVVIP darshan! Shame, atheist, shame!!
That is Kanimozhi, the principle-less atheist, and thus,anti-Hindu!
He (accompanied MP) told me that all their wishes are being granted and they are being protected…I then asked him, there is a money collection box right in front of the god. Why is there a security personnel with a stun gun protecting it? The Telugu people explicitly answered that people like you might loot, that is why they stand with guns.

Moreover, as you had gone there to inspect the security aspects, you could not have made such idiotic statement!

People who run the temple are not confident that god can protect the money collection box. Why should I believe in god?”….. Shame on you, idiotic that we have MP like you and allowing you inside the temple.
Perhaps, you had gone inside to know the security arrangement to attack!
If that God does not protect, I say that God is not there….. Had you gone there to inspect the security aspects, or the existence of Go?

Your blabbering exposes your honesty, integrity and sincerity as a MP.

Thus, it is evident that by all means, the MP has lost her credibility and she should be stripped of MP post or she should resign immediately.

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Annadhana

Photo courtesy: TTD

Inspecting the “Free Meals – Prasad Hall”….

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Laddu counter-

Photo courtesy: TTD

Posing for photo before “Annadhana Hall, building”

Kanimozhi-why you went to Tirumala

Photo courtesy: TTD

Coming out………………….”If you do not believe……why you enter the temple, had darshan, taken tirth and prasad, the saree……………..prayed to him to remove your problems?”. The AP people openly revealed that she came here to pray “Venkayya” to relieve her from 2G case!

Cong MLC, P Sudhakar Reddy condemns Kani on 12-01-2018

Complaints made against Kanimozhi: The local BJP leaders led by former TTD Board member G Bhanu Prakash Reddy submitted a written complaint to Urban ASP Srinivasulu against DMK MP Kanimozhi here on Thursday, (11-01-2018) for hurting the religious beliefs of Hindus[7]. She made adverse comments on the Lord Venkateswara at Tirumala at a Tiruchi meeting in Tamil Nadu[8]. Rayalaseema Porata Samithi (RPS) convener P Naveen Kumar Reddy has condemned the DMK MP comments against the presiding deity of Tirumala. He demanded that the state government’s Endowments department take legal action against Kanimozhi. The RPS activists staged a dharna near Alipiri. Ironically, in Tamilnadu, the so-called Hindutwavadis, Sangh-parivar, BJPwalas and other “Hindus” have been keeping quite for unknown reasons. The foreign delegates and other responsible delegates who attended the WAC should take care of the facts.

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11-01-2018

Nov.2012, Kanimozhi at Tirumala- Laddu counter-

Photo courtesy: TTD

[1] Scroll.in, Tamil Nadu: Complaint filed against DMK MP Kanimozhi for allegedly hurting religious beliefs, Published : 12-01-2018· 07:34 pm Updated 12-01-2018 · 07:58 pm.

[2] https://scroll.in/latest/864727/tamil-nadu-complaint-against-dmk-mp-kanimozhi-for-allegedly-hurting-religious-beliefs

[3] TheNewsMinute, Why does god need gunman to protect hundiyal?’: Kanimozhi’s speech rankles Hindu group, Priyanka Thirumurthy, Thursday, January 11, 2018 – 14:05.

[4] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/why-does-god-need-gunman-protect-hundiyal-kanimozhi-s-speech-rankles-hindu-group-74554

[5] The Hindu, Panel inspects security measures in Tirumala, TIRUMALA:, NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST; UPDATED: NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST. UPDATED: NOVEMBER 10, 2012 03:29 IST

[6] http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/panel-inspects-security-measures-in-tirumala/article4082515.ece

[7] THE HANS INDIA, Case against DMK MP for hurting religious beliefs, Jan 12, 2018 , 01:32 AM IST.

[8] http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2018-01-12/Case-against-DMK-MP-for-hurting-religious-beliefs/351590

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

January 12, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (2)

WAC, Trichy - second day, paper presenters

The First Day paper reading session (05-01-2018): The WAC organizers kept the paper reading session inside and the public meetings open. The first day (05-01-2018) paper reading proceedings were held at Periyar Maniammai University campus, Vallam. On the theme, “Atheism – Hope for Humanity”, Three parallel sessions were held, where, 38 delegates participated and presented 28 papers. Of which 13 were taken for discussion.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-bald, looks north Indian

In first session, was conducted with Balwinder Barnala, Tarkkaasila Sangha, as chair-person and , Dr Samarasam, Vijyawada Atheist Centre, as moderator.

Kadesh Godherao, Maharastra Antastrata Nirmulam Samiti, read a paper on the topic, “Atheism is for the Progress of Humanity”.

Kumanarajan, editor of “Tamil Lemuria”, Mumbai presented a paper on “Threats of religious fundamentalism, Problems and Solutions.”

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-gold-spec-nald-white

In the second session was chaired by Prof Ilakkuvan, Director, Periyar Centre, USA and P. Sabasiva Rao, Treasurer, Telengana-Hyderabad Manava Vikasha Vedika, moderated.

Prof Sam George, American College, spoke on, “Atheism – Way of Life.” M. Govindasamy, Malaysia Dravidar Sangam, Kulalampur spoke on, “Dravidian Movement in Malaysia”.

Dr R. Gauthaman, Periyar Medical Mission, spoke on “Medicine and Atheism.”

However, most of the papers were of generalized, rehashing the already known details and targeting Hindu religion for superstition and so on. Emphasis was given for in between Peiyar and Dravidian movement. The atheist arguments had been against ontological, teleological, cosmological points, but, they could not put forward any new points. The age-old theist-atheist arguments on these lines have been too well-known to be repeated here.

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with coat

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- looks Tamilian, with white coat.

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, bald, white

Vijayan

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, bald

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- old man, spec, grey hair

paper presenter

WAC, Trichy - paper presenters- Sikh

Balwinder Barnala

WAC, Trichy - paper presenter-spec, shirt-half-coat

paper presenter

DK opposing Rajini-

Atheism versus Spirituality – debate started: Speakers propagating atheist philosophy slammed religious beliefs, especially in Hinduism, at the World Atheist Conference here on Friday (05-01-2018). The concept of spiritual politics espoused by superstar Rajinikanth also came in for sharp criticism. It is not known as to why Rajni’s politics should be attacked and criticized in the “World Atheist Conference”. Evidently, as Trichy has been strong base of Rajini’s fans and his political ambitions would erode the Dravidian polity and as well as the prospects of DMK, the WAC has been exploited to attack Rajini politics.  Though Rajini’s concept was much debated over the past few days, some speakers found it nascent and lacking clarity. However, Dravida Kazhagam leader K. Veeramani aid that people propagating ideology of spiritual politics would be exposed sooner than later. Speaking on the sidelines of the conference, he said spiritual politics was nothing but a tool that might be used to deceive people. Politics was in no way related to spirituality. Spiritual politics stressed on the existence of spirit which was called ‘Atma’. The aim of the conference was to counter the very existence of spirit through philosophical arguments. Those trying to mislead people in the name of spirit would be exposed soon, he said. Ironically, even the atheist religions like Jainism and Buddhism believed “Atma”, rebirth, etc.

WAC, Trichy, Kanimozhi

During public session, Rajinikantha’s “Spiritual Politics” attacked: Lakshman Tamil from Periyar International, USA said that those thinking about starting a political party in the state could not ignore Periyar or Dravidian movement for their brand value. He said that one could become popular in the state by invoking the name of Periyar. Lakshman recalled how his father had told him to be honest also when he expressed his wish to become an atheist like Thanthai periyar. Periyar had set high standards to be an atheist, he said. aking a jibe at Rajini, Dravidian Tamil Federation general secretary Suba Veerapandian said that a person had recently visited Gopalapuram (the residence of DMK leader M Karunanidhi) to seek his blessings[1]. But little did he know that he could only get rationalist lessons from the leader and not his blessings[2]. Rationalists and atheists had been criticising the actor for giving his political move a religious colour. Though Rajinikanth had come out in the open with a statement clarifying his stand, not many seemed to be convinced.

WAC-3, Times of India

“Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva”: Untouchability is the worst tyranny any part of the world has ever seen. So is the caste system. And these are practiced in the name of God, said Dravida Kazhagam leader K Veeramani here on Friday (05-01-2018). Speaking at the World Atheism Conference 2018 in Trichy, Veeramani said India is land of atheism, not temples. Atheism is not just the denial of religion, but denial of all superstitions associated with it too. He said atheism dated back to 1500 CE in our country. Lakshman Tamil, Periyar International, USA, said caste system is the bane of India and society cannot progress as long as this Vedic system exists. Hinduism cannot claim that it is all-encompassing until it disowns the Vedas, he said. Buddhism and Jainism moved away from people and lost their relevance[3]. The Dravidar Kazhagam has created a populous atheist movement and it is the true Shramana movement of the modern time in terms of the core philosophy of atheism, he said. Terming Periyar’s atheism the most relevant, Lakshman Tamil said it is also a populous movement. Its multifaceted nature has also contributed to its popularity. “Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva. People have to choose between Hindutva, which is a Vedic tradition that is based on hate and segregates people in the name of caste, and Dravidian philosophy, which preaches self-respect,” said Lakshman Tamil[4].

WAC-3, Times of India- attacking Rajini

2G-Raja spoke on his atheism in Tihar and outside: Former Union telecom minister A Raja started off by thanking the CBI and the CAG for making him popular worldwide in the 2G spectrum case. “Being an atheist since teenage, his belief in atheism strengthened further during his imprisonment in the Tihar jail when he saw prisoners, who included rapists and murderers, making a beeline to offer oil to a figure of Saturn (Shani). Hinduism was used as a tool by upper caste people to keep a majority section poor by denying them education. This is a country where people are divided in terms caste. And this notion is created by religion”, he said. As many as 500 papers on atheism are going to be presented in the conference that is going to last for 3 days.

WAC-3, The Hindu, 06-01-2016

The Second Day paper reading session (06-01-2018): The seconday paper reading session was held in Einstein Auditorium, for which K. Veeramani chaired and  Narendra Naik, President, Indian Federation of Rationalist Associations acted as moderator. Devadoss welcomed the speakers and delegates. Elizabeth O’ Cassey delivered a special lecture.

Thaneswar Sahu, Philosopher professor and President of Odhisha Rationalist Association spoke on “Science, Scientific thinking – A Perspective.”

  1. Raja Kennedy, Rationalist Teachers Forum, spoke on, “Encouraging Scientific temper amomg the children”.
  2. Ramasamy, Professor and Rationalist from Madurai, spoke on “Atheist-Humanist Fighters Periyar and Gora”.

Suvinnila, Vice-President, Rationalist Association gave vote of thanks. Here, also, the speakers had repeated the points. They always tried to take “Science” as weapon against religious beliefs and dub them as “Superstition,” but, they could not tackle the issue of “Scientific superstition,” prevalent exploiting the public under forced propaganda, dubious advertisements and aggressive marketing.

WAc,Kanimozhi speaks

Rationalists attacked, women treated badly by all religions- Kanimozhi: The evening seession was held at Puthur Periyar auditorium, Trichy as a public meeting, in which Kanimozhi, Tirumavalavan, C. Vijayan (Director, Vijayawada Rationalist Centre) spoke. Atheist and rationalists all around the world are under threat, said Rajya Sabha MP K Kanimozhi on the second day of the World Atheist Conference, organised by Dravidar Kazhagam in Trichy on Saturday (06-01-2018)[5]. She hoped the believers or religious minded attending the conference see the “………….true light of Periyar. The people who have congregated here are already atheist. Even then why we have gathered? Why do we have to preach ourselves when we have already converted? But we have to come together to show that we are together and what humanity means to the world ……. said no religion treats women equal to a man in every aspect, be it Hinduism, Christianity or Islam……………All religion says a woman has to obey a man. Women have been denied their rights in every religion. That was the reason Periyar denied all religion…………..There are reformers and feminist around the world who are fighting for women’s rights. I respect all of them, but there is one true feminist in this world and that is Periyar……………Religion is nothing but fear. How much blood has been shed, how many wars have been fought in this world because of religion?…………..God has never killed anyone for their wrongdoing and has remained a spectator. He would never act or react………….There is a threat for all atheists and rationalists around the world. To show our strength, we all should stand united and fight against hatred. Atheism and humanism are the only truths,” she said[6]. The Scroll.in just reproduced that TOI reported[7]. Irony that their correspondents, colunists or reporters could not add more than that TOI published[8].

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10-01-2018

WAC-3, Veeramani, Raja, Elizabeth

[1] Times of India, Atheists slam Rajinikanth’s spiritual politics, K Sambath Kumar| TNN | Jan 6, 2018, 08:37 IST

[2] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/atheists-slam-rajinikanths-spiritual-politics/articleshow/62385950.cms

[3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/dravidian-philosophy-is-the-only-alternative-to-hindutva/articleshow/62386831.cms

[4] Times of India, ‘Dravidian philosophy is the only alternative to Hindutva’, TNN | Updated: Jan 6, 2018, 00:18 IST.

[5] Times of India, Rationalists under threat all over the world: Kanimozhi, TNN | Jan 7, 2018, 08:25 IST.

[6] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/rationalists-under-threat-all-over-the-world-kanimozhi/articleshow/62397776.cms

[7] Scroll.in, Atheists and rationalists all over the world are under threat: DMK MP Kanimozhi, by  Scroll Staff, Published 07-01-2018, · 10:49 am

[8] https://scroll.in/latest/864115/atheists-and-rationalists-all-over-the-world-are-under-threat-dmk-mp-kanimozhi

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (1)

January 11, 2018

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted on January 5th to 7th 2018 at Trichy (1)

WAC-3, Viduthalai front page

The World Atheist Conference 2018 conducted with tall claims: The World Atheist Conference 2018 (hereinafter mentioned as WAC) was conducted with tall claims made on January 5th to 7th 2016 at Trichy. It was commenced here with an emphasis on setting right in equalities in the society, quelling superstitions, and propagating rationalistic thinking. Titled ‘Atheism – Hope of Humanity’ and what not, the three-day program organised jointly by the Dravidar Kazhagam, Atheist Centre, Vijayawada and The Rationalists’ Forum witnessed delegates representing rationalist organisations in different parts of India and other countries, taking part in the inaugural and plenary sessions, and presenting their views on an array of topics that included atheism, religious fundamentalism, and medicine and atheism[1]. Presiding over, K. Veeramani, president, Dravidar Kazhagam, said atheism in India means much beyond non-belief in supernatural and religious rituals, and that the prime focus was on rectifying untouchability in the society perpetuated in the name of religion, and denial of education on the basis of birth[2].

WAC, Trichy - foreign delegates, Nadaswaram

Features of the Conference (as claimed by the organizers): As claimed by the organizers, Atheist – Humanists around the world participate in the conference, besides the leaders of various atheist, rationalist and humanist organizations from all the States of the country, Paper presentations by atheist scholars and activists followed by deep deliberations on the different perspectives of atheist philosophy, form the major part of the conference proceedings, Sharing of religion-free living culture in various countries / societies and churning up the substance on living free from the fear of god, enabling humanity to progress and peace, Revealing the success, in establishing the egalitarian society free from the belief of non existing ‘god’ through the services of organizations and movements by atheist philosophers and Documenting the pioneering role rendered by atheist movements in the East during the early historical period.

Garry McLelland-WAC, Trichy

The Rationalists’ Forum: The Rationalists’ Forum claims that it, “is a Humanist Movement founded by Periyar in 1971 and presently patronised by Dr. K. Veeramani, President, Dravidar Kazhagam. It is a unique movement, because of the composition of membership and the activities. People who are committed to Periyar ideology and employed in various organisations – government, public private co-operative have shouldered the responsibility of preaching and practicing rationalistic ideals”. The activities include organising meetings, seminars, science exhibition, superstition exposure show to develop scientific temper and humanism among the public. Many State and Central Ministers, Vice Chancellors of Universities, educationalists, officials who are at helm of affairs to-day were the earlier functionaries of The Rationalists’ Forum.

Elizebeth WAC trichy

The Organizers of the Atheist Conference[3]: The organizers have been:

  1. Dravidar Kazhagam (Tamil Nadu), Atheist Centre (Vijayawada) and
  2. The Rationalists’ Forum (Tamil Nadu) jointly organise World Atheist Conference 2018.

WAC is the ideological confluence of atheist, rationalist and humanist fraternity from the countries – England, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, United States etc. and from all the States of India. WAC proceedings cover seminar and sittings with lecture delivery and paper presentation on the various dimensions of atheism , rationalism and humanism. Film show, video presentations, science exhibition, book fair are planned. A massive public procession with demonstrations exposing superstition is scheduled. A Souvenir containing essays, real stories, personal experiences of eminent persons on atheism and allied ideologies gets released on the occasion. Many leaders and persons of eminence from State and Central Governments, educationalists intellectuals participate in the proceedings.

WAC, Trichy - stage-1

Were foreign delegates conscious of the Dravidian atheism?: The foreign delegates attended the conference, but, what they spoke was not revealed by the organizers, the media and the participants:

  1. Gary McLelland[4], Chief Executive, International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), London[5], and
  2. Avinash Patil, Executive President, Maharashtra Andhrashraddha Nirmoolan Samithi, Pune, Maharashtra, were the other guest speakers.
  3. Elizabeth O’ Cassey[6], Director of Advocasy – IHEU, Brussels, Belgium, inaugurated an exhibition of books at the Atheist Book Centre. Rustam Singh, Atheist Alliance International, USA;
  4. Suba Veerapandian, General Secretary, Dravidian Tamil Federation; and
  5. Rajaratnam, Pro-Chancellor, Periyar Institute of Science and Technology (Deemed to be University), Vallam, Thanjavur also spoke.

Five books were released on the occasion: ‘Bhagavad Gita – Myth or Mirage,’ and ‘March of Atheism’ authored by Veeramani, Compilation of ‘Old Testament of Indian Atheism’ by Surendra Anjat, ‘Essays on Matters which Matter’ (A Rationalist’s Perception) by S. Rajaratnam, and Compilation of ‘Revolt’ published by Periyar in 1928 and 1929. It is evident that Compilation of ‘Old Testament of Indian Atheism’ by Surendra Anjat, and conspicuously, there was no book released about the position of atheism in Islam or existence of “Islamic atheists”. As happened in 2011, this year also, most of the foreign delegates came and attended did not know about DK, EVR, Dravidian atheism etc., as they talk about Humanism, human rights, etc.

WAC-3, women delegates from north

Inaugural session: During the inagural session, A. Raja, Sp. Suba Veerapandian, Gary McLelland, Elezabet O’Cassey, Avinash Patil and others spoke and thereafter, papers were presented. Ironically, A. Raja, former Union Minister of Telecommunication (who was in jail for 2G scam, came out on bail and acquitted by the Court recently), said he has been deriving inner strength from atheism. Ironically, the DK-ideologists talked as usual rhetoric with verbose without any new points. As usual, they made “stage-type” talk in Tamil and using few words and sentences in English to show off that it was an international conference. Ironically, the delegates came from Pujab, Maharastra, Andhrapradesh and Kartataka were talking in their mother tongue and Hindi when they conversed with each other. The same thing happened during the All India Atheist Conference held  at Periyar Tidal in May 2010, where, one invitee spoke in Hindi and it was translated by the DK ideologist. Now also, K. Veeramani during his speech accepted that the language bearer exists among the delegates coming from those states. Incidentally, their anti-Hindi stand gets exposed here, as with Tamil alone or any particular regional language alone, they cannot do anything.

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10-01-2018

WAC-3, Balwindern Barnala, before EVR statue

[1] The Hindu, Atheit conference gets under way, The Special Correspondent, TIRUCHI, JANUARY 06, 2018 00:00 IST; UPDATED: JANUARY 06, 2018 03:49 IST.

[2] http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/world-atheist-conference-gets-under-way/article22380406.ece

[3] http://www.worldatheistconference.com/

[4] Gary joined IHEU in February 2017. Before this he worked for the Humanist Society Scotland since 2013 as Head of Communications and Public Affairs. He has also previously served as a director of the European Humanist Federation based in Brussels, as well as a board member of the Scottish Joint Committee on Religious and Moral Education. Before working in Humanist campaigning, Gary worked for a global citizenship project at the Mercy Corps European headquarters in Edinburgh, and also in policy and service delivery in education and social work. He has a BSc (hons) in psychology, a diploma in childhood and youth studies and master’s in human rights law, in which he researched the approach of the European Court of Human Rights and the United Nations’ approach to so-called ‘blasphemy laws’.

http://iheu.org/about/staff-and-representatives/

[5] International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU), 39 Moreland Street
London EC1V 8BB, United Kingdom, Office telephone: +44 20 7490 8468; From within the UK: 020 7490 8468

[6] Elizabeth started as director of advocacy in January 2016, after two years heading the IHEU’s delegation to the UN in Geneva. She focuses her work on freedom of religion or belief, freedom of expression, LGBT rights and the rights of women, particularly in relation to religious, traditional and cultural practices. Elizabeth manages IHEU advocacy work at a number of institutions, including at the UN in Geneva, New York and Paris, the Council of Europe, the OSCE and Africa Commission on Human and Peoples Rights. She is also a Vice Chair of the UN NGO Committee on Freedom of Religion or Belief (in Geneva), an International Patron for the Pink Triangle Trust and an International Advisor at the Raif Badawi Foundation. Elizabeth has a PhD in International Political Theory from the London School of Economics, where she was a Michael Leifer Scholar. She has spent time as a Global Justice fellow at Yale University, worked in various policy and advocacy positions in the UK and EU, and has also worked as a consultant on sexual and reproductive health and rights. She is based in Brussels.

http://iheu.org/about/staff-and-representatives/

Tying Sacred thread to pigs, cutting of sacred threads of Brahmins, Dravidian radicalism and anti-Brahminism: Dravidian Prohits becoming dominant!

August 11, 2017

Tying Sacred thread to pigs, cutting of sacred threads of Brahmins, Dravidian radicalism and anti-Brahminism: Dravidian Prohits becoming dominant!

N. Ram and DK- Veeramani - Murasoli 10-08-2017

The Dravidianization of Marxist Hindu: During 197o, the Dravida Kazhagam extremists had been emboldened with the DMK rule and started attacking Brahmins on every pretext.  In thos days, the cutting of sacred thread and attacking of one Ganapathy, Brahmin employee of “The Hindu” was famous[1], as it was nicknamed as “Mount Road Maha Vishnu” by Karunanidhi. With the labouur activities of Ramajayam, DMK leader, the offices of “The Hindu” slowly came under the grip of Dravidian polity. When Kanimozhi was divorced and mentally disturbed, she was accommodated in the editorial office of “The Hindu”. Priya daughter of Ranganathan was married to Dayanidhi Maran and thus, “The Hindu” has been “dravidianized” with all the dominant Marxism. Now, N. Ram inaugurated the Platinum Jublie of “Murasoli” on 10-08-2017 evidently his relative’s daily and praised the Dravidian movement like anything just sitting by the side of K. Veeramani! Ironically, Kamal Hassan, another Brahmin also was there to praise the “Dravidian civilization”! Here, it has to be mentioned categorically that though Ram and Kamal have been Brahmins, they have been completely secularlized enough to be more anti-Hindu. Thus, this event took place incidentally, three days after the incidence of tying sacred threads to four or five pigs by another radical wing of Dravidar Kazhagam.

Sacred thgread to pigs - Priyanka- 07-08-2017

“Poonool to Pings” ceremony carried on the road with violence: The story was reported apologetically as Priyanka Tirumurthy wrote that, “The poonool turns a Parappan into a Brahmin and a Tamilian into a Shudhran” – This startling message is embossed on a poster that carries the image of a pig wearing the ‘sacred thread’, or poonool (or poonal) as it is called by Tamil brahmins[2]. Circulated by the Thanthai Periyar Dravidar Kazhagam (TPDK), the poster is an invite to an event where pigs would be adorned with the poonool, in a symbolic protest against Brahminism. ‘Panrikku Poonool podum porattum’, a protest where pigs will be made to wear the holy thread, was set to be held at the Sanskrit College in Chennai on 7 August 2017. The day marks Avani Avittam, which is a sacred day for Brahmins in Tamil Nadu. It is on this day that they change their sacred threads in a yearly ceremony. According to the TPDK, holding a protest on this day will create shockwaves amongst the Brahmin community[3]. “Brahmins wear the poonool because they want to differentiate themselves from other castes and make themselves seem superior,” says S Kumaran, Chennai President of the TPDK. “By default, the society views being compared to a pig as an insult and so we decided to use the animal,” he explains. According to this Dravidian fringe group, resentment towards Brahmins has seen a dip over the last decade but they are hoping to revive the sentiment in the state.

Sacred thgread to pigs - India today 07-08-2017

So, why plan this provocative protest now?: “With the BJP in power at the Centre, the RSS, which is basically a Brahmin outfit, has gained too much power. This is aimed at countering any effort to suppress the lower castes,” says Kumaran. When asked about the attacks of the intermediate castes on Dalits, he said, “Yes, Gounders and Vanniyars discriminate and incite violence against Dalits. But why do they do it? It is because centuries back, Brahmins created the four varnas and a hierarchy of superiority.” Last year, the TPDK tried to burn effigies of Lord Rama, Sita and Lakshmana to symbolically show opposition to ‘Aryan invasion’, a theory which has since been discredited. Now, walls across the city are painted with invitations to this anti-Brahmin protest. Anyway, the Marxist Brahmin Ram or the atheist Brahmin Kamal never cared for this and the ceremony went on well with the blessings of Periyar from the heavens. The position of  “Papatti” is not known.

PDk gang with police - a pig was caught- 07-08-2017

Indifferent Hindutwavadis: The Tamil Nadu BJP is, unsurprisingly, not impressed by this. “How can you ridicule something that is very personal to a community? If they think the sacred thread doesn’t make anyone superior, why even protest against it?” ask BJP youth wing President for Tamil Nadu, SG Suryah[4]. “They are also forgetting that it is not just Brahmins who wear this thread,” he adds. Aravindan Neelakandan, writing for the right-wing magazine Swarajya, argues that many communities like potters, carpenters and goldsmiths also don the sacred thread. Valluvars, Purohits and astronomers of Parayar community are also known to wear the sacred thread, he says, adding that wearing the sacred thread is not exclusive to one set of people. “But this is not socially accepted,” says Kumaran. “Nowhere in the vedas does it say that nobody but Brahmins can wear this thread,” he claims. What’s more, the Dravidian outfit is aware that they would not receive police permission to conduct this event. “But we will manage to carry this out without approval from the police,” says Kumaran[5]. Note: The TDPK has since changed their poster, which has been reflected here. An error in the name of the TDPK spokesperson has also been rectified.

Sacred thgread to pigs-PDMK went to court- - Indian Express- 05-08-2017

When TPDK went to court, the Hindu advocates did not care (04-08-2017): A writ plea has been made in the Madras High Court for a direction to the authorities concerned to grant permission to the Thanthai Periyar Dravidar Kazhagam (TPDK) to conduct the ‘poonool to pig’ (varaham) festival in front of the Sanskrit College in Mylapore on Avani Avittam on August 7, 2017[6]. Justice M S Ramesh, before whom the petitions from two Kazhagam functioneries came up on Friday, posted the matter to Tuesday (August 8) after directing the Public Prosecutor to file the counters[7]. It also prayed to the court to grant permission to conduct Ravana Leela at the same venue on August 7, 2017. According to the petitioner, a community called Parpanar conducts an event called Avani Avittam on Avittam Natchatram, which falls on August 7. On that day they wear a thread made up of cotton called poonool in the name of upanayanam. The story behind wearing poonool is that once a poonool is worn by a Parpanar he will get a rebirth and will be equated to God. Burning the effigies of Rama, Lakshmana and Seetha will form part of the Ravana Leela[8]. When the petitioners approached the Mylapore police for permission, the latter not only refused the nod but also threatened them with preventive arrests[9]. In spite of the Court direction, the drama went on as reported and videographed.

PDௐ gang -Another person with police - caught by police- 07-08-2017

Four or five pigs brought tied, dragged on the road with dying of one pig: A pro-Dravidian group brought Chennai’s Royapettah to a standstill by attempting to make pigs wear holy threads on the road. Volunteers of Thanthai Periyar Dravida Kazhagam (TPDK) brought four pigs near the AIADMK headquarters and tried to make them wear holy threads as a protest against Brahminical ideology and casteism. They named this festival “adorning poonool (holy thread) to pig”, on the day of Aavani Aavitam, a day Brahmins consider sacred. TPDK cadres said that by wearing the ‘poonool,’ Brahmins consider themselves to be superior, and that attempts were made to make pigs wear them to break this thought process. Even though hundreds of cops were stationed in Royapettah, TPDK volunteers released the pigs on the road, frightening the commuters[10]. Police then detained the protesters and seized the pigs[11]. Last year [2016], the same group burnt effigies of the Hindu deities Rama and Sita in protest.

PDk gang with police - pigச் secured by police- 07-08-2017

Blue cross and other right activists kept quite: Virtually, none cared for this cruel act of dragging pigs on the road with mouth died and probably drugged, as otherwise, they would have created hell on the roads. In English, it is said that “Pig” means young and “Swine” is aged. Animal activists say this happens every year. They also say that such acts in fact end up giving more prominence to the caste that they are fighting against. In the video, a couple of guys allegedly belonging to the Dravida group are seen dragging the pig with the sacred thread[12]. This incident reportedly happened on August 7 in Chennai near AIADMK office. This is also seen as a deliberate action against Brahmins[13]. Periyar said, “If you happen to see a snake and a Brahmin, kill Brahmin and leave snake”, so if the faithful followers had realy belief in their Guru, they must have chosen “Snake” instead of  pigs to perform their radical ritual. However, they have chosen the pigs, that too tied.

© Vedaprakash

11-08-2017


PDk gang with police - a pig secured by police- 07-08-2017

[1] It is not known whether V. Ganapathy mentioned in this article is the same Ganapathy of 1970s.

http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/i-was-attacked-dk-members-1989-reporting-attacks-brahmins-i-let-them-get-away

[2] The Quint, TN Outfit to Make Pigs Wear Sacred Thread to Protest Brahminism, Priyanka Thirumurthy, Updated: 22 July, 2017 6:34 PM IST.

[3] https://www.thequint.com/politics/2017/07/22/dravidian-outfit-to-make-pigs-wear-sacred-threads

[4] The News Minute, Dravidian outfit to make pigs wear sacred thread on Avani Avittam day to protest Brahminism, Priyanka Thirumurthy, Saturday: 22 July, 2017 6:34 PM IST.

[5] http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dravidian-outfit-make-pigs-wear-sacred-thread-avani-avittam-day-protest-brahminism-65563

[6] Indian express, Plea to permit ‘poonool to pig’ festival on Aug 7, By Express News Service  |   Published: 05th August 2017 01:28 AM  | Last Updated: 05th August 2017 07:27 AM.

[7] http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2017/aug/05/plea-to-permit-poonool-to-pig-festival-on-aug-7-1638604.html

[8] The News Minute, Dravidian group moves Madras HC seeking permission for ‘Pig Poonal’ event, Saturday, August 05, 2017.

[9] http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dravidian-group-moves-madras-hc-seeking-permission-pig-poonal-event-66293

[10] Indian today, Chennai: Pro-Dravidian group tries to make pigs wear holy threads to protest against casteism , Pramod Madhav | Edited by Ganesh Kumar Radha Udayakumar, New Delhi, August 7, 2017 | UPDATED 13:11 IST.

[11] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/thanthai-periyar-dravida-kazhagam-chennai-protest-pigs-sacred-thread/1/1020481.html

[12] Asianet.newsable, Bearing the brunt of the anti-Brahmin movement, this pig is brutally tortured, Aug. 8, 2017, 11:24 a.m.

[13] http://newsable.asianetnews.tv/video/bearing-the-brunt-of-the-anti-brahmin-movement-this-pig-is-brutally-tortured