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Dr B.R. Ambedkar International Conference 2017 – Quest for Equity  – Reclaiming Social Justice, Revisiting Ambedkar – Interpretation of case laws involving reservation to SCs under the Presidential Order 1950 – Can Christians and Muslims get SC status? (5)

August 4, 2017

 

Dr B.R. Ambedkar International Conference 2017 – Quest for Equity  – Reclaiming Social Justice, Revisiting Ambedkar – Interpretation of case laws involving reservation to SCs under the Presidential Order 1950 – Can Christians and Muslims get SC status? (5)

Soosai vs UOI

What Soosai vs UOI judgment says: Castes of Hindu religion identified on ‘untouchability’ related parameters were already scheduled under the 1936 Order. The validity of the order was considered by the Supreme Court in Writ Petition No. 9596/83 in the case of Soosai Vs The Union of India and Others (AIR 1986 SC 733). In para 7 of the judgment the Court had observed that “Now it cannot be disputed that the Caste system is a feature of the Hindu social structure. It is a social phenomenon peculiar to Hindu society. The Apex Court in para 8 of the judgment thus, observed that, “it is therefore, not possible to say that President acted arbitrarily in the exercise of his judgment in enacting paragraph 3 of the Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Order, 1950.” This is also sustained by the debate in Constituent Assembly which recognised “That the Scheduled Castes were a backward section of the society who were handicapped by the practice of untouchability” and that “This evil practice of untouchability was not recognised by any other religion” i.e. other than Hindu. It is apparent that the Constitution (SC) Order, 1950 relates to castes of Hindu religion. It only relates to the Castes discriminated within the Hindu religious system. The Constitution (SC) Order, 1950 is thus not discriminatory or violative of Articles 14, 15, 16 & 25 of the Constitution nor is it ultra vires of the Constitution as it provides for a special category i.e. the Scheduled Castes who have been given a special status under the Constitution. The Constitution (SC) Order, 1950 is thus neither unconstitutional nor ultra-vires of the Constitution nor it is violative of any fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. Here, the Christians never appealed or filed any revision petition against this order, but kept quite. At Vatican level, they had many issues and problems, as the Bishops and Cardinals have been following race or caste hierarchical structure. So far, no Black has been elected for the post of Pope, in spite of their claims.

The Bull of Pope Gregory XV, Bulla Romanae Sedis Antistitis, dated 31 January 1623

Christianity, caste and untouchability [1]: Christianity, caste and untouchability: In spite of the tall claims made by the Christians, the caste, racism, untouchability and other factors have been there in Christianity. The hundreds of denominations in different countries based on theology, practices, tribes etc., are the direct proof. Pope Gregory XV published a bull sanctioning caste regulations in the Christian Churches of India. Even the U. N. Commission of Inquiry (1953) into the racial situation in South Africa reported the Biblical background of inspiration for them to adopt “Apartheid” or “Christian caste system” with untouchability [Genesis. 9.25, Joshua. 9.21, 23 & 27]. Untouchability also finds its way to Bible [Joshua. 9.19]. In Ireland, there are separate streets for Roman Catholics and Protestants, as each group treatsothers “untouchables”. Slavery has been a divine approved system [Levi. 25: 44-46; Timothy. 6.11]. Prasadam offered to Jehovah should not be eaten by others [Exo.12:43]. They should not touch things holy to him or offer sacrifice [Levi. 22:25]. Bible should not be taught to others [Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 5, p.623; Exo.27:33]. They cannot offer incense [Numbers.16: 40]. They should not approach the holy tabernacle i.e, the “Garba Griha” / Sanctum Sanctorum [Numbers 1.51]. The dishonest Christians  suppress everything and try to fool the gullible SCs and STs projecting that their religion saves them. they could not save their own souls of SCs /STs with dubious methods. There are A to Z Churches with denominations (castes) running into more than 3000 depending upon the nation, language, ethnicity, culture, civilization and other factors. The matrimonial columns appearing in the newspapers and periodicals expose their hypocrisy, as the bride / groom are hunted only on the basis of “caste” and not on the “Christ”!  Crores of Rupees flow into India from abroad to convert India to Christianity. World Christian Organizations never hide this plan. After the Neogi Commission Report, they have only changed their tactics in routing the money. Political pressure at national and international levels is applied through different channels to pump money in. only 30-40% is actually spent under the guise of charity, service, and liberation etc., whereas, 60-70% is adjusted in their manipulated accounts duly certified. They have formed their own high castes and they do not want to share profits with the new converts. They treat them just as “natives” counting numbers and sending statistical figures to parent organizations.

the-constitution-scheduled-castes-order-1950

Theologies floated to suppress the facts: Thus, the discrimination persists and percolates to bottom reaching new complications and crating new social tensions. Therefore, to divert the issue, as decided by the World Council of Churches and other organizations, they set up different “research groups” to shift the blame to Hinduism and escape. After politicizing, they have tried to internationalize the issue. Whoever Indian writer, journalist or “scholar”, who supports this theory, is received aboard usually USA or Germany and taken care of.  “Dalit Theology” is the superior theology masqueraded in mere theoretical egalitarianism to fool “Dalits” projecting Jesus as the Super Star Saviour and Christianity to solve all their social problems, suppressing all cold facts, historical truths and the past tract record of Christianity. “Liberation Theology” is nothing but “Christian Communism” with God offered in different garb mainly advocating violence. It advocates violence, terrorism and anti-national activities in a country where it is preached. After the death of Communism and exposure of their deadly acts in Latin American countries, they have turned their attention to “Dalit Theology”.

Char with the speakers

Pope Gregory XV issued a Bull authorizing Caste[2]: The Pope and the Church have been playing dual roles  as for as India is concerned. Definitely, what the Pope said and what has been reported by Associated Press differs, as AP has tried to interpret the Pope, as if he has recommended that “Christians must reject divisions based on caste” (The Hindu Nov.18, p.12). The Pope Gregory XV (1621-23) has definitely accepted the caste. The Bull of Pope Gregory XV, “Bulla Romanae Sedis Antistitis”, dated 31 January 1623, accedes to the requests of the missionaries to accommodate themselves to certain caste practices and usages of the new converts. Why not then the present Pope annul the Papal Bull issued, instead of recollecting what he had said in 1986. In fact, after his visit, there had been so many “caste problems and issues” within the Indian Church. The “Dalit Christian problem” arose phenomenally. The Supreme Court itself pronounced that if the Church wants reservation based on untouchability and caste, such factors of existence in Christianity should be proven (Soosai vs UOI – AIR 1986). Then, started the >research of Athony Raj, SJ with funds to prove that untouchability and Caste system were there in Christianity and practiced even today.

Dalit Christians demand SC status Indian Express cutting

Whether Muslims can get SC status by converting back to Hindu religion?: A Muslim from audience asked, “I wanted to convert back to Hindu religion and whether I could get SC status, as the Supreme Court pronounced in some cases, that a converted SC-Christian could get back, SC-status, when their SC members accepted him back as his member again. In the same way, if a SC-Muslim wanted to convert back to Hindu religion, whether he could get back SC-status”. Actually, these cases pertain to election candidates, where Christians converts contested elections at reserved constituencies, claiming that they were SCs. When, this was challenged at the courts, the Christians got certificates to the effect that they were Hindu SCs. So the courts pronounced that, as candidate converted back to Hindu religion and got a certificate, documentary evidence to that effect, he was considered as “Hindu”. It is not known as to how the present-day Muslims, who want to claim back their SC-status by converting back, would prove their caste identity.  Ironically, most of them or some of them would also claim that they were not the converted categories from India, but, directly descended from the forefathers, who were of Arabic tribal origins [Ansaris, Mujahideen, and others]. If they were really interested in converting back, why then criticize “Gharwapasi”?

KVR with the speakers

Origin of Caste – the Chairman spoke and wound up the session: The second paper was presented by Bhup Singh Gaur on the approach of Harijans / SCs by Gandhi and Ambedkar. He interpreted that both leaders worked for the upliftment and welfare of the people in their own way. He pointed out that Amedkar was the only leader who attended all the three RTCs and consistently fighting for the rights of Depressed Castes. The third paper, “Dalit – A legal Perspective” was presented by S. Balakrishna Hedge.  His paper was almost answering the issue raised by Tanweer Fazal. Finally, the chair of Prof Chandrama Kanagali presented her paper about the origin of caste in India. She pointed out that the origins of the term ‘caste’ are attributed to the Spanish and Portuguese casta, which, according to the John Minsheu‘s Spanish dictionary (1599), means “race, lineage, or breed”. When the Spanish colonized the New World, they used the word to mean a “clan or lineage.” However, it was the Portuguese who employed casta in the primary modern sense when they applied it to the thousands of endogamous, hereditary Indian social groups they encountered upon their arrival in India in 1498. The use of the spelling “caste,” with this latter meaning, is first attested to in English in 1613.

dalit-word-is-unconstitutional-scheduled-caste-commission

The word “Dalit” is neither constitutional nor legal: The National Commission for Scheduled Castes has asked the state governments not to use the word ‘Dalit” in official documents, saying the term was “unconstitutional”. The commission has stated that sometimes the word ‘Dalit” is used as a substitute for Scheduled Caste in official documents, sources in State Tribal Department said in Raipur. After consultation with the legal department, the commission said the ‘Dalit” word is neither constitutional nor the word has been mentioned in the current laws. Rather ‘Scheduled Caste” is the appropriate and notified word as per the Article 341 of the Constitution, it said in a letter sent to all states. The writers and researchers do not care even about this and continue to mention the word for ulterior motive.

© Vedaprakash

04-08-2017

[1] This I wrote in 2007. https://groups.google.com/forum/ – !topic/talk.politics.misc/ZoUU1QBaBAI

[2] My letter to “The Hindu” wriiten in 2003. http://hindooraashtrcom.fatcow.com/pdf/Caste-in-Christianity-Papal-Bull.pdf

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Sathyaraj regrets, whole-heartedly regrets, apologizes or worries about business? The media mode of dramatization of reporting of Dravidian racism, linguistic fascism and Ideological negationism!

April 22, 2017

Sathyaraj regrets, whole-heartedly regrets, apologizes or worries about business? The media mode of dramatization of reporting of Dravidian racism, linguistic fascism and Ideological negationism!

Sathyaraj apologizes - Tamil

Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat” – Indian Express support for Sathyaraj[1]: Indian Express has exposed the financial implication of the drama of opposition to Satyaraj by the Kannadiga groups. It carried a report as follows: “That a lot of expectations and money are riding on S S Rajamouli’s 200 crore sequel “Baahubali the Conclusion”, due for release on April 28, 2017 is well known. It was therefore quite convenient for the pro-Kannada groups like Karnataka Rakshana Vedike to seek some gloating satisfaction by threatening to prevent the Karnataka release of Baahubali the Conclusion, in order to force an apology out of Tamil actor Sathyaraj for his nine-year-old controversial remarks on the Cauvery issue. It is at the stage of theatrical distribution, that a movie’s whole fate and business depends. Speaking to a news channel, director SS Rajamouli said that pro-Kannadiga groups targeting Baahubali 2 because of Sathyaraj was “not right.” “[We] learned that whatever comments Mr Sathyaraj made it was nine years back. And after that, about 30 films of his were released in Karnataka. Baahubali 1 released. No one had problems with that. And suddenly, raking up the issue at this point in time … ,” said Rajamouli. Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat. But that is exactly the leverage for blackmail — when the stake against the risk is just too great and involves a whole crew of unrelated people, it is easy to browbeat somebody into senseless demands to selfish, parochial ends. The KRV has done this before in 2008, to get an “apology” from superstar Rajnikanth for his statements on the Hogenakkal project dispute, prior to the release of his movie Kuselan. In the country that is wild about movies, blockbuster movies like Baahubali make for cultural phenomena generating a lot of buzz, influence and capital”.

Sathyaraj apologizes - Kannda

“Arm-twisting of celebrities by fring elements” as observed by Indian Express[2]: After the financial implication, Indian Express has gone to the arm-twisting of the celebrities, as if Sathyaraj has not been of fringe element category, not speaking with decency and decorum and so on. It went on to report, “Over and over these days, this has been making movies and its makers easy targets for arm-twisting by fringe groups that know only too well that they possess the brazen muscle power of the mob to disrupt any hopes of soft power. They have the willing “activists” to attack where movies are vulnerable — at the sore point of revenue. This is exactly what also transpired in the case of Karan Johar’s dark apology video to Maharashtra Navnirman Sena, pleading them to spare his “Ae Dil Hai Mushkil” and in Shah Rukh Khan’s reassurance meeting with Raj Thackeray to ensure a smooth landing for “Raees”. It seems that as long as the law and order would not come to the active rescue of the filmmakers, any organisation with brawn and some political clout will feel brave for seeking such self-aggrandising settlements through soft coercion.” So the fans, general public and Indian consumers as a whole have to analyze the facts involved in such reportings.

Sathyaraj apologizes - Telugu

Sathyaraj regret – PTI version carried on by one media: Actor Sathyaraj has finally opened up on the controversy over the release of “Bahubali: The Conclusion”, in Karnataka. Pro-Kannada groups have called for a boycott of the film in the state alleging that the actor had hurt their sentiments in a speech made nine years ago. Despite the film’s team maintaining that he was only a supporting actor, the groups refused to budge from their stand[3]. Subsequently, in a video sent to the press on 21-04-2017 (Friday), the actor said[4], “Nine years ago, Tamilians were attacked in Karnataka over the Cauvery water dispute. There were protests demanding that the screening of Tamil films be stopped in that state. To condemn such calls, the Tamil film fraternity had organised a meeting, and many had expressed their anger. I was one among them… I understand that some of the words that I had uttered then have hurt the sentiments of the Kannadigas… In the past nine years, 30 films of mine, including Bahubali: The Beginning, were released in the state. There were no problems. I was even approached to act in Kannada films, but I couldn’t take them up because of other commitments.”

Sathyaraj apologizes - as-Kannadigas thrratened

Sathyaraj whole-heartedly regret – PTI version carried on by other media: “I sincerely express my regret for the remarks made by me during Cauvery protest nine years ago”, he said in a video message[5]. Asserting that he was not against Kannadigas or Karnataka, Sathyaraj claimed that his assistant Shekar, who is a Kannadiaga, is with him for the last 30 years. “In fact I had been invited to act in Kannada films, but I could not do so due to paucity of time”, he added[6]. Appealing for the smooth release of Bahubali-2, the actor said he do not want a movie made on such a grand scale by the hard work of thousands labourers and technicians to go waste[7]. I am a small actor in a mega film called Baahubali. I dont want the efforts of many people to go to waste. Not just that, I have the added responsibility of ensuring exhibitors in Karnataka, who have bought (screening rights of) Baahubali 2, are not affected,” he said in what he termed as an “explanation” to Tamil people and activists[8]. He said adding that in future if producers sense that because of me they might suffer losses, they need not approach him for signing films[9]. An atheist, known for his pro-Tamil views, Sathyaraj insisted that he will continue to voice support for matters concerning Tamils including the Cauvery dispute and the Eelam issue in Sri Lanka[10]. The actor, sporting a black T-shirt synonymous with the states Progressive movement led by rationalist leader, late E V Ramasamy Periyar, said he was not against Kannada people[11]. In a message to producers and filmmakers, he said those who fear “problems” in the future by casting him in their films may not do so and avoid “facing losses.”…… “Because I take more pride in living and dying as a Tamil without any superstition than living and dying as an actor,” he added[12]. He also extended his thanks to director Rajamouli, the films producers, various professional bodies of Tamil cinema including an artistes association and his well-wishers “for tolerating the difficulties caused by me.”

Sathyaraj apologizes - as-Kannadigas thrratened- want to be a Tamilian than actor

What the unrelenting Sathyaraj and the media want to convey to Indians: From the above, the secular Indians could understand the following points very clearly:

  1. That a lot of expectations and money are riding on S S Rajamouli’s 200 crore sequel“Baahubali the Conclusion”, due for release on April 28, 2017 is well known.
  2. It is at the stage of theatrical distribution, that a movie’s whole fate and business depends.
  3. Of course, only Sathyaraj won’t be affected by this threat.
  4. The KRV has done this before in 2008, to get an “apology” from superstar Rajnikanth for his statements on the Hogenakkal project dispute, prior to the release of his movie Kuselan.
  5. In the country that is wild about movies, blockbuster movies like Baahubali make for cultural phenomena generating a lot of buzz, influence and capital.
  6. Over and over these days, this has been making movies and its makers easy targets for arm-twisting by fringe groups that know only too well that they possess the brazen muscle power of the mob to disrupt any hopes of soft power.
  7. They have the willing “activists” to attack where movies are vulnerable — at the sore point of revenue.
  8. It seems that as long as the law and order would not come to the active rescue of the filmmakers, any organisation with brawn and some political clout will feel brave for seeking such self-aggrandising settlements through soft coercion.
  9. Sathyaraj does not want a movie made on such a grand scale by the hard work of thousands labourers and technicians to go waste.
  10. An atheist, known for his pro-Tamil views, Sathyaraj insisted that he will continue to voice support for matters concerning Tamils including the Cauvery dispute and the Eelam issue in Sri Lanka.
  11. The actor, sporting a black T-shirt synonymous with the states Progressive movement led by rationalist leader, late E V Ramasamy Periyar, said he was not against Kannada people.
  12. In a message to producers and filmmakers, he said those who fear “problems” in the future by casting him in their films may not do so and avoid “facing losses.”……
  13. Sathyaraj asserted that, “…..Because I take more pride in living and dying as a Tamil without any superstition than living and dying as an actor”.

© Vedaprakash

22-04-2017.

Sathyaraj apologizes - English

[1] Indian Express, Sathyaraj apologises before Baahubali 2: When will this arm-twisting of celebs end?, Written by Nandini Rathi, New Delhi, Updated: April 21, 2017 7:53 pm.

[2] http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/opinion-entertainment/sathyaraj-apologises-before-baahubali-2-when-will-this-arm-twisting-of-celebs-end-4622632/

[3] Times of India, I express regret over my words: Satyaraj, TNN, April.22, 2017, 01.00 AM IST.

[4] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/news/i-express-regret-over-my-words-sathyaraj/articleshow/58298103.cms

[5] Deccan Herald, Sathyaraj apologies for his remarks against Kannadigas, Chennai, DH News Service, Apr 21 2017, 19:06 IST

[6] http://www.deccanherald.com/content/607472/sathyaraj-apologies-his-remarks-against.html

[7] Hindustan Times,  Baahubali 2: Sathyaraj expresses ‘wholehearted regret’ over Cauvery issue remarks, New Delhi Updated: Apr 21, 2017 14:25 IST.

[8] http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/baahubali-2-sathyaraj-apologises-over-his-comments-on-the-cauvery-issue/story-GDTALGwm5iyODylOZ6L88I.html

[9] India Today, Sathyaraj expresses regret for remarks made during Cauvery, PTI, April 21, 2017 | UPDATED 20:20 IST.

[10] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sathyaraj-expresses-regret-for-remarks-made-during-cauvery/1/935119.html

[11] Mid-day.com, ‘Baahubali’ actor Sathyaraj: Regret to have made hurtful comments against Kannadigas, By IANS | Posted 21-Apr-2017.

[12] http://www.mid-day.com/articles/regional-cinema-news-baahubali-2-sathyaraj-sorry-apologises-comments-karnataka-cauvery-row/18186185

“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

November 30, 2015

“Happy to bleed” campaign, Nikita Azad and Vedaprakash – four days correspondence!

Happy to bleed - campaign against sabarimalai entry deenial to women

On November 24, 2015, I came across one “Happy to bleed” campaign started by one Nikita Azad in the Facebook.

So I have gone through their column, read all the postings, comments and responses, I posted my first comment briefly as follows:

I have carefully gone through the thread.

As usual, the comments have been drifting to different directions with the intruding varied opinion.

The prohibition of menstruating women to enter religious places, participate in Eucharist and rituals etc., has been there throughout the world among the

Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and others, even today.

Therefore, hope you bleed more happily and reasonably with secularism.

 

Very often the so-called, modern, western, progressive, broad-minded, forward-looking, feminist, and other varieties of ideologists attack Hindu religion, beliefs, etc., under the guise of attacking certain practices, where, ironically, many non-Hindus participate happily. So I started responding and replying many, where, certain specific points were raised. They again and again stressed their point of “right to bleed” etc., with photos of girls holding sanitary napkins in their hands, menstrual blood soaking their jeans, holding menstrual blood in tubes, such blood falling on fingers…….with different comments!

Meena Kandasamy - God do not look between my legs okay

“GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY” have been the words of one “Meena Kandasamy”!

Happy to bleed - campaign - come and see the blood on my skirt

“Come and see blood on my skirt”, a red banner held by two girls and some girls standing around on the road!

Happy to bleed - campaign - priyanka Sharma and Aina Singh

Are your God would be seduced by women, if they enter?

What would happen if a woman enters with a pad?

Travelling Ayyappa baktas not behaving properly with women.

Janaki Venket How many of the men going to sabarimala actually follow the rules. I have seen many flaunting it! Travelled in a train once with a bunch of these men in black dress ogling at the ladies, passing comments & drinking in the night!

 ………………

I pointed out the propaganda of Muslims there proclaiming that Islam treats women ….gives rights and so on. When pointed out, in the context of menstruation, Islam does not allow women inside mosques, then, some accepted and retracted. Nikita also accepted mentioning my name and declared that they also against Islam, as they are involved in genital mutilation etc.

Happy to bleed campaigners - Sukhjeet Singh and Aman Jalwehra Singh

Two Sikhs holding placards also supported. I asked, “Tell me honestly, whether menstruating women are allowed in the Harmandarsahib”, they did not reply, but, some women responded, and clarified that the point is not that menstruating women are allowed inside mosques of Gurudwaras, but the entry of such women inside temples! So in India, though, women talk about the rights of women etc., they worry about Hindu women only in this way and they do not bother about non-Hindu women like Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc.!

Happy to bleed campaign - photo

However, she could relish with my responses and answers and therefore, come out as follows:

Friends, this is an IMPORTANT statement.

Many people are continuously trying to defame the campaign by irresponsibly raising religious quarrels, even after we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds. When we openly posted that we are against Muslim communities that practice female genital mutilation, and do not let men and women pray together, the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’, which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign. These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct. They wish to dictate in the manner of protest also.

Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens.

With only one day left for the social media campaign, we reject such irresponsible criticism, and urge everybody to share this message widely. Because till now we have launched a social media campaign only, and we are gifted with threats like stated, who knows what will happen when we take ground campaign.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign

Happy to bleed campaign - Nikita Azad accepts that now Islam also does not allow menstruating women inside mosques

Though, many things were not related to me, I responded point by point as follows:

As I have already mentioned that I have been reading your campaign column and responding not only to you, but also other campaigners. Through this comments, as you have unnecessarily have indulged in slandering me, through your remarks, “the Brahaminical fundamentalists chose another method of maligning the campaign. They started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc and even said that ‘have your mothers seen these posts’”, I have to point out the following facts:

1.       The so-called “religious quarrels” have been going on in your campaign carried on by your Christian and Muslim friends, as could be noted from their accusing one particular religion, while appreciating their religious “goodness” and all (in fact, they are false, untruth and myth).

2.      we have repeatedly clarified that we oppose all religions, and practices that discriminate on gender grounds, bogey has come out now, obviously, as I started responding to those campaigners and you have also realized mentioning my name specifically in your reply. Ironically, now you want to “bleed with secularism”!

3.      which actually clarifies that their agenda is not to have any positive discussion, but defame the campaign – As you, including all your campaigners, have indulged in such denigrating, disparaging with indecent depiction, portrayal of women etc., your are now trying to defend yourself, by saying all these things.

4.      any positive discussion – Perhaps, it is me who initiated positive discussion and that is why you have realized your mistake of attacking “one particular religion” and started, “we also condemn muslims……………………….” and so on. You also referred to my name in one discussion about “menstruating women entering mosques……………”

5.      These fanatics simply cannot accept that women have spoken up in whatever manner they find correct – what is this? What right you have to call me “brahmanical fundamentalist”, “fanatics” etc?

a.      What is your agenda?

b.      If you do not have guts to respond the points raised me, accept your inefficiency or yur ignorance about the subject matter discussed.

c.       Do not indulge in this type of attack.

d.      In fact, you get exposed yourself, the language you have been using.

6.      started using patriarchal words like ‘decency’ ‘decorum’ etc – Yes, I recorded as follows:

“I am 65, with much anxiety only I have been responding to you and your friends of this campaigning.

You could note that I have been pointing the facts about ‘menstruating women entering the places of worship’.

But you have decided to attack only Sabarimalai movement.

Moreover, when the reporters ask such mischievous questions as to how you check the women entering, only he responded.

Perhaps, you might have known about the case of Jaymala actress who entered the temple.

Today, internet is viewed by children, boys and girls therefore, definitely, some amount of decency and decorum is required in depicting pictorially or otherwise.

7.      Though the other comments are not directed against me, Also, these indiviuals have gone to the extreme, and called our activists as prostitutes, that we should be gang raped, that’s what we are good for, and must remain in kitchens”…………., etc, I want to point out, that Newtons’s third law only worked here! To cite one example, that photo “GOD DO NOT LOOK BETWEEN MY LEGS OKAY”

8.     I APPEAL TO ALL OUR SUPPORTERS NOT TO USE ANY OFFENSIVE WORD AGAINST THE TEMPLE OR AUTHORITIES, RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS – so now, you say this! But your entire campaign has been against the temple, temple authorities, customs and practices, beliefs etc. So now you are afraid of some legal action for your defaming, disparaging, denigrating……………..campaign?

9.      Oh campaigners, be calm, relaxed and thing about everything.  I hope most of you are young girls and women studying in schools and colleges with a lot of hopes and ambitions in your minds. So concentrate in your studies, instead of indulging in such campaigns, as such acts would make you imbibed wih ideology, as prompted by Nikita Azad – RATHER GIVE THEM IDEOLOGICAL FIGHT WITH YOUR ARGUMENTS. That will actually improve the campaign.

10.  So, now only after all drum-beating, she has realized that, “That will actually improve the campaign.” Great on Friday, that is the last day of your campaign.

I wish MOTHER GODDESS would bless all of you with all prosperity and good future!

Vedaprakash

27-11-2015.

For this, she could not respond, but, banned me from participating in the campaign expressing views, questioning their way and methodology of the campaign. So, this has become my last response.

Ironically, they talk about rights of freedom of thinking, expression, speech and so on, but when others come to think, express or talk, they ban!

What type of attitude is this?

Is this, the way of having dialogue or group discussion?

Is this the mode of exhibiting their tolerance?

I understand that she has extended the campaign till December 4, 2015!

Vedaprakash

30-11-2015.

Dignified dress, Indian women, Media’s role and the apology of the MP who pleaded for the cause!

August 9, 2014

Dignified dress, Indian women, Media’s role and the apology of the MP who pleaded for the cause!

TDP PMs remarks about the dress of Indian women

TDP PMs remarks about the dress of Indian women

Murli Mohan Maganti Telugu Desam Party MP, while discussing on the safety of women, opined his views about wearing decent dress. The media reported it as follows:

·         Deccan Chronicle says[1], “TDP member Murali Mohan ‘advises’ women to dress properly, sparks controversy………….”;

·         Zee News declares[2], “TDP MP makes sexist remark in Parliament, later apologises”, While none of the media either print or electronic has given the full version of what was read in the Parliament, most of the media mentioned only part of the following line picked up from his speech, as if he talked something nonsence or serious or sexist comments as interpreted, “……to uphold the tradition of our Indian culture, I would earnestly appeal to all my sisters, daughters and girls to dress dignifiedly,”

·         The Business Standard added the following[3], “I would appeal to brothers to treat every woman as his own family member,” he said. “This would be a tribute to mother India.”

·         Odhisha Times also carried these sentences[4].

·         IBNlive says[5], “TDP MP makes sexist remarks in Lok Sabha, says women should dress in a ….”. India Today has its version[6].

·         Deccan Chronicle[7] agains came with that “Twitterati slams TDP MP Murali Mohan Maganti over his women remark”.

The reporter was virtually forcing him to react: The conversation between the TV reporter and the MP appeared dramatic, as a viewer could not understand what was wrong in the speech of the MP.

Sir, you said like that, can you define what do you mean by “dignified dress”?

I read agaid what I read in the Parliament, re-read from the paper in his hands as follows:: “I endlessly appeal to daughters, sisters and girls of the country to dress in a dignified way and uphold the tradition of Indian culture. I appeal to my brothers to treat every girl as a family member and treat her with respect. This will be a great tribute to Mother India. India has had a special place across the world for its culture.” Here, what is offending, indecent and shocking to women is intriguing.

Indian women dress comments apology etc

Indian women dress comments apology etc

Dignified dress means Indian dress and not modern.

Can you say that modern dress is not dignified?

Nodded in affirmative.

But, your comments are not offending women?

If offending, I wittdraw them?

But, the women are offended.

If my comments are bothering them, I apololize to them.

Shobha Oza, the President of All India Women Congress (AIWC) responded sas usual that the men were trying to advice about the dress and all and that was not necessary.

Criticism of the statement made by the TDP MP: The Women’s rights activists and women political leaders called the statement really immature.

Actor and YSRC politician Roja said that Mr Murali Mohan was making big and intellectual statements though he had been an actor all his life.

“What does he mean by dignified?: A sari exposes more than a jeans with a t-shirt. It is up to a woman what she wants to wear. Being a hero and a producer, what drove him to make such a comment? He is a full time commercial hero and this shows double standards. He is simply making big and intellectual statements, whereas his movies have portrayed much more stuff.”

Social media too poked fun at the actor-turned MP. Netizens questioned what he meant by the term “dignified” and asked why rapes of minor girls were being reported in the country.

Displaying a medieval mindset: Shabbir kD þ@shabbirkd wrote: “Our MPs are displaying a medieval mindset. No wonder they cannot protect our women.”

An extra inch of visible flesh causes them to rape..!!: aastha chauhan þ@aasthachauhan27: “Really..? An extra inch of visible flesh causes them to rape..!! Well, this is more an insult to MEN than women…”

better rules & regulations & respect for women, not lectures:  Siva Kumar Raju þ@iamsivaji: “Does he really care about women? if he did, he might have demanded better rules & regulations & respect for women, not lectures

MP does not stand up against such sexism: MnM þ@McSpare: “If our elected women MPs will not stand up against such sexism in the Lok Sabha who else will?”

Should women opt for designing dress?: Afaq Alam Ansari þ@Afaq_404: “Should opt for designing dresses for women if they show their incompetence as MP by stating such comments.”

If man can wear anything, why not women?: Indi Patriot þ@theindipatriot: A sari is so much more peek a boo than a full t-shirt and jeans…but then they say a man sees what he wants to.”

Dress should not be obscene: Jeevitha Rajashekar, former actor and BJP leader said, “It is completely a personal choice of women. We know how to dress decently. He should not say that they should not wear modern clothes. He did not follow what he said in his acting carrier. I believe that every person should wear what they are comfortable in and it should not be obscene be it either men or women.”

The comments were idiocy: Vasanth Kannabiran, Founder member, Asmita Collective for Women said, “This is pure idiocy. It is very troubling on how this whole thing is going on about women and their way of living. Are they trying to go back in the dark ages? The MP needs to go back and get some education. Does he even know about equality? What are his qualifications? He is thinking 60-years backward. They should be penalised for speaking like this as this is directed to a whole bunch of people. How do these people talk with such insensitive and casual attitude? They know they can get away with it and more than half will agree with what he said. But, if one is punished, the next will learn. This is total impunity.”

What the responses show: If the responses are put together, the following points draw attention.

  1. What does he mean by dignified?
  2. Displaying a medieval mindset
  3. An extra inch ofvisible flesh causes them to rape..!!
  4. better rules & regulations & respect for women, not
  5. MP does not stand up against such sexism
  6. Should women opt for designing dress?
  7. If man can wear anything, why not women?
  8. Dress should not be obscene.
  9. The comments were idiocy.

No doubt, girls, young ladies and women have every right to wear any dress of their choice or othyerwise and none could advise them. As for as the mode of dress in the context of rape, many times, some police officers, women activists and others have come up with the idea of “women wearing decent dress”. But every time, they have been questioned, objected to and pressurize to change their opinion by the media. Here also the MP has expressed his views very politely, carefully and sensitively with all respect to women. Yet, the media played it differently and the activists responded in its line. One has to wait and see, who would be the real gainder in such sensitive issues affecting the honour of Indian women.

Critics do not offer positive or constructiove criticium or ideas, but other critics are condemned: At one side conservative, moderate and conventional views, responses and opinions have always been condemned, criticized and even disparaged. The aggressive criticism agains them has been so severe that even others have been silenced to opine asbout the issue. Many times their voices are silenced or the opinions edited and suppressed. However, the criticizers have not come out with any ideas to curb the menace of raping of women in India. Particularly, in the context of Meerut, a communal factor is found and it affects the thinking processes of all. Moreover, such phenomena is also associated with some global portent factors, it is downplayed or distracted and diverted also. The disease is not pathologically analyzed, but the commentators are attacked, observers threatened and critics silenced.

Vedaprakash

08-08-2014

[1] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140807/nation-current-affairs/article/tdp-mp-murali-mohan-advises-women-mps-dress-properly

[2] http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/tdp-mp-makes-sexist-remark-in-parliament-later-apologises_953197.html

[3] http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/tdp-mp-asks-women-to-dress-in-dignified-manner-114080701582_1.html

[4] http://odishasuntimes.com/78109/tdp-mp-asks-women-dress-dignified-manner/

[5] http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tdp-mp-makes-sexist-remarks-in-lok-sabha-says-women-should-dress-in-a-dignified-way/490867-37.html

[6] http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/tdp-mps-sexist-remark-sparks-storm-in-parliament/1/376030.html

[7] http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140808/nation-current-affairs/article/twitterati-slams-tdp-mp-murali-mohan-maganti-over-his-women