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Christian music, Christian Tamil music,  Christian keerthanais and Kutchery: All with “Thomas myth”,  the way, Nivedita Louis spreads it!

July 6, 2020

Christian music, Christian Tamil music,  Christian keerthanais and Kutchery: All with “Thomas myth”,  the way, Nivedita Louis spreads it!

The Hindu how spreads thomas myth, Abhirami Rao, July 2019

A newcomer in the list of “Thomas myth” spreading propagandists[1]: The Christians never forget to take any chance to insert and spread the myth of Thomas and now, one Nivedita Louis has come, hitherto unknown name in the context. It appears that she takes every opportunity effectively to do so, wherever, she goes on whatever subject, she deals with[2]. She supplies photos, materials and other things to aid abet to spread such myth without any shame[3]. In the same church, Rayappa Arulappa tried to manufacture evidences with Acharya Paul. Then, so many things happened…the project of a movie on “doubting thomas” and so on. But, she never touches upon these, but, follows the methodology of Subhashini Tremmel[4]. Our course, S. Muthaiah (1930-2019) used to accommodate such myth in his musings here (in The Hindu) and there (Madras musings). Even after him, the same trend continues[5]. One Abhirami Rao who joined the walk of Nivedita Louis came out with a stuff[6] that was duly published in “The Hindu”.  Generally, Indians or Hindus do not bother about all these things. But, when a pattern is found and she gets agitated immediately calling names with the outbursts of “Aryan,” “Dravidian,” “Vanderi” and so on, then, there is a reason to believe that she has agenda and continues now, just like her predecessors. The following have been the news stuff that involves her with the “Thomas myth.”

Nivedita Louis on Thomas myth wherever possible

The connection between Tamil music and Christianity: Right from the period of Bartholomaus Ziegenbalg, who tried to translate the German and Latin hymns into Tamil, people started to sing songs in the Tamil meter[7]. But Christian natives found it difficult to sing in the Western genre. To adjust themselves to the new situation, missionaries came up with songs that have attributes of both Western and Tamil music[8]. Along with singer Jasmine Wilson, writer-historian Nivedita Louis would be a holding a lec-dem that traces the connection between Tamil music and Christianity on August 23 2019 at Press Institute of India, Taramani. “The Tamil Christian songs date back to 300 years. At the ending of every Knanaya marriage, they used to sing Syriac chants. Missionary Constantine Joseph Beschi, also known as Viramamunivar, thought there was a cultural divide in music between the Tamil Christians and missionaries who propagated Christianity. So to have an alliance between the two musical styles, he started translating texts like Tirukkural,” says Nivedita.

Nivitia Luois, on Christian singers
Christian keerthanais, Christian Carnatic songs and Kutchery: People like Vedanayagam Sastriar, N Samuel and Henry Alfred Krishnapillai started writing Tamil Christian classics. “There wasn’t any difference between Carnatic and Tamil music — the music was the same, only the words differed. Vedanayagam Sastriar wrote Bethlehem Kuravanji (with the Lord of Bethlehem as the protagonist) that was inspired by Kutrala Kuravanji,” she explains. Missionaries transformed epic Tamil songs and brought it to the hold of Christianity. That’s how the tradition of keerthanais began. Similar to Carnatic keerthanais, they started penning Christian keerthanais as well. “Vedanayagam Sastriar and Thyagaraja are contemporaries. We don’t find much difference in their writings and compositions. The only difference is the usage of words. Those days, people used to write songs in notebooks and pass it on from one generation to next. When music went from one era to another, there was a huge transformation,” Nivedita adds. The best thing about Christian music is that it is democratic and not restricted to a particular community or group of people.

Waliking through santhome church, Nivedita Louis

The interest of Nividita Louis in the Santhome: Partnering with Vincent D Souza, the editor of a local newspaper, Nivedita says they chose to concentrate on Santhome because, “It has a high concentration of Christians, is one of the oldest parts of the city and has a lot of connections to the Portuguese. The lives of these people are very interesting,” she begins[9]. The walk will commence from the museum inside the Santhome Cathedral (assembly point), from where the hosts will go on to explain about the Portuguese residents’ day-to-day living and prayer rituals. “History shows that many of their customs are akin to that of the locals. For example, we can find pillars similar to the Dwajasthambam built in Hindu temples in some of the churches. People also used to take the idol of Virgin Mary out in a procession like they do with Hindu deities,” she explains[10].

Nivedhita Louis Adichanallur
Historian describes all the buildings near Santhome Church: At the crib inside the Santhome Cathedral, Nivedita will speak about how this Nativity scene was started in 1223 by Francis of Assisi. She says, “He is also called patron saint of animals — that’s why we find a lot of animals in the crib such as donkeys, goats and oxen.” The participants will then proceed to St Bede’s School after which, “We’ll go to the Bishop’s House, which was once a bungalow built by De Monte in 1808. In fact, the gate has a creepy story, which I’ll narrate during the walk,” shares the historian. St. Rita’s Church, CSI St. Thomas English Church, which is 175 years old and CSI St. Thomas Tamil Church will follow. The last stop is Kalpana House, which belonged to a yesteryear actress. The old bungalow currently houses a jewellery store but hidden within its walls is a small shrine built by the actress’ son, containing a 100-year-old statue of Infant Jesus. Another surprise element for the participants will be in store after a visit to this house, which will be revealed during the walk. To participate in the hour-long Christmas Eve Walk that will start at 7.30 pm, contact 9840170982.

Reviving thomas myth by the priests -1
Firangi Kunda or Parangi Malai: Hindus and Muslims reciting Ghazals, inside a church — nothing novel today, perhaps but when it first happened, as an act of spontaneity by people who were overwhelmed by the sheer beauty of the European paintings depicting Biblical scenes, it went on to be etched as a special moment in the city’s multi-cultural history. It happened at the church (called Church of Our Lady of Expectation) on St. Thomas Mount, then known as Firangi Kunda or Parangi Malai when Nawab Sadathullah Khan ruled the Carnatic. The year was 1719, and the Nawab’s men — led by his Dewan, Dakhini Ram along with a few Muslim generals and others — were returning to Arcot after some tough negotiations with the English at Fort St. George.

Reviving thomas myth by the priests -2
The Nawab’s Church visit: On the way, the Nawab’s party was invited by Armenian traders to visit their palatial bungalows at the foot of St. Thomas Mount[11]. After enjoying Armenian hospitality and some rest, Dakhini Ram and his men climbed up the hill to see the elegant church, built at the spot where St. Thomas, the apostle, was believed to have been killed in 72 CE[12]. The Portuguese had built a church there in the 16th century, which was renovated and beautified by the rich Armenian traders of Madras just a few years before the Nawab’s party would land up there, out of curiosity. And what they saw took their breath away. “Its lofty buildings and its elegant and bewitching aisles, where, at every corner, pictures of Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ adorn the walls, dazed the onlooker,” writes Jaswanth Rai, the chronicler of Nawab Sadathullah Khan.

Nivedita Louis on Thomas myth
Arcot Nawab, Sufi, Sheikh and Brahmin: It was probably the first time that the Indians were coming face-to-face with European Renaissance-style paintings. The use of perspective on a two-dimensional surface to make it appear three-dimensional was one of the characteristic features of Renaissance paintings. It made the painted eye appear as though it was following the viewer. Once inside the church, they found the interior of the church roof completely painted with Biblical scenes and of Virgin Mary with Child Jesus. “What wonderful paintings, particularly the ones on the roof are beyond all praise. From whatever corner one looks at, his eyes are dazzled at the art,” records Jaswant Rai, who accompanied the Dewan. Jaswant Rai’s friend Muhammad Arif composed a verse on the spot:

‘His eyes (artist’s) see with the eye of God:

The whole art of the West is manifested in the twinkle of the eye.’

Thoroughly intoxicated with the beautiful paintings and the hospitality of the padre, the Nawab’s men decided to hold a Mushaira (a poetic symposium) right there. So poets such as Khizl Bash Khan, Fazlullah Khan, Aga Muhammad Muqim, chronicler Jaswant Rai and several others got together. Basanth Rai, brother of Jaswanth Rai, sang:

‘The eye has not eyed like unto the beloved from the west; The moon has not witnessed another such moon in the whole of that country…’

Muhammad Arif continued thus:‘

The European beloved has struck such a chord in my heart

That the page of my heart has been metamorphosed

Into a picture of Europe…’

Interestingly, the paintings also brought in philosophical musings in people like Khizl Bash Khan, who began his recital with, “I am not able to differentiate between a Sheikh and a Brahmin…” Perhaps the English translation does not do justice to the original Persian verse with its rhyme and meter, but it does offer a glimpse into a society that appreciated art beyond the narrow confines of religion. Today, sadly it is only these verses that remain of the beautiful paintings that adorned the ceilings of the church. But these verses and the St. Thomas Mount chronicle bear testament to a time when religion did not blur man’s appreciation for the lofty things of life –this story has been published in “the Hindu.” Here, it has to be mentioned that “the Hindu” has been in the habitual accommodator of “Thomas myth” and it never gives ant space to expose it. That has been the journalistic ethics, commitment to history and what not. And finally, I February 2020, Nivedita Louis came out as follows:

Nivedita Louis and her friend on Thomas myth -facebook postings

Nivedita Louis comes out: “There is a museum in Santhome Church. There have been two important Chola inscriptions. Thee are other inscriptions of the Portuguese. The Church never suppressed them. The ceramic ware, bones, coins recovered during the excavations conducted in 1893 have been preserved here. A few years back, when the students of Madras University conducted excavations, terra sigillata, arattain type broken ware were recovered. It is not known whether they have been dated or not. Tis place has been alive since the Sangam period. The public can come and visit the museum, wen t is opened.  Just because, flag-staff is there for the last few years, it s a Hindu temple, some items are inside and therefore they are Hindu., I want to tell the ……….(Chillarai) Hindu organizations, who claim that they are Hindu. The potter of the Sanga period and the Cholas are our Tamil people. They are not like you who invaded and settled down here (vanderi) and not ……..so cheap fanatics. Tamil Christians are not imported from London. They are the sons of this soil. Aboriginal people. The invader Aryans, ho are you to touch upon our Tamil culture? Very strong protestations,” she posted in the Facebook in this way. This was in response to Arjun Sampath visit to the Church in February 2020.

Thomas myth spreading, Parangi church, Nivedita Louis - The Hindu

The Christians should stop spreading “the myth of thomas”: Whether S. Muthaiah or anybody, as they claimed / claim historian and all, they must be knowing the facts of “doubting Thomas,” as they very often quote from the archival sources, old books and documents. As for as the Christians are concerned, as they claim historicity for their religion, god, scriptures etc., they cannot manufacture legends, forge stories and myths. Historians cannot spread myth, particularly, the Thomas myth, as the Mylapore Archbishop himself was involved with such forgeries and the case had gone to the Madras High Court. The litigants came out on “out of court” settlement  to bury the fraudulent activities carried on. However, as it happened 25-30 years, the details have been known to many and they are available. Under such circumstances, they should stop to do such false propaganda.

© Vedaprakash

05-07-2020

[1] This I should have posted in February 2020 itself, however, as I was preoccupied and the material related to this were also misplaced, the Carona leisure time has given time to complete and post.

[2] The News Minute, The bells toll again: Chennai revives its Armenian link with annual church service, FEATURES COMMUNITY WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 07, 2018 – 13:22

Anjana Shekar Follow @anjanashekar

[3] https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bells-toll-again-chennai-revives-its-armenian-link-annual-church-service-76052

[4]  Subhashini Tremmel has come out with a video explain the museum and of course, the myth. I wrote to her, but, she replied only once and then kept quiet. Nowadays, she is involved with many other controversies and moving with Indian politicians.

[5] The Hindu, Re-discover Santhome’s architectural treasures, Abhirami Rao, JULY 30, 2019 13:28 IST; UPDATED: JULY 30, 2019 16:41 IS.

[6] https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/re-discover-santhomes-architectural-treasures/article28756981.ece

[7] DTNext, Lecture to trace links between Christianity and Tamil music, Published: Aug 21, 2019, 07:30 AM by Merin James.

[8] https://www.dtnext.in/News/City/2019/08/21081438/1172650/Lecture-to-trace-links-between-Christianity-and-Tamil-.vpf

[9] DTNext, A walk to explore the less seen side of Santhome on Christmas Eve, Published: Dec 24,201807:54 AM by Arpitha Rao

[10] https://www.dtnext.in/Lifestyle/Fashion/2018/12/24075457/1100459/A-walk-to-explore-the-less-seen-side-of-Santhome-on-.vpf

[11] The Hindu, Beauty brings down barriers, Kombai S Anwar, APRIL 27, 2017 16:26 IST, UPDATED: APRIL 27, 2017 16:26 IST

[12] https://www.thehindu.com/society/history-and-culture/ghazals-inside-a-church/article18252815.ece

Iravatham Mahadevan talk and the response of Vedaprakash

March 30, 2020

Iravatham Mahadevan talk and the response of Vedaprakash

At the hall of Roja Muthaiah Research Centre, the epigraphist Iravatham Mahadevan gave a lecture on the decipherment of the IVC script / pictograms / seals.

Iravatham talk at Roja Muthaiah Hall DM

https://www.dinamalar.com/district_detail.asp?id=1115886&dtnew=11/16/2014

After going through the report appeared in the newspaper, I responded as follows:

Iravatham talk at Roja Muthaiah Hall DM. Vedaprakash response

https://www.dinamalar.com/district_detail.asp?id=1115886&dtnew=11/16/2014#comment

திரு ஐராவதம் மஹாதேவன் பேசுவது, எழுதுவது முதலியவற்றை கடந்த 40 ஆண்டு காலமாக உன்னிப்பாகக் கவனித்து வருகிறேன். இப்பொழுது அவர் கூறியிருப்பதிலேயே பல விசயங்கள் உறுதியாக, முடிவாக சொல்லவில்லை. ஏதோ யேஷ்யமாக, முன்னர் கூறியவற்றைத் தொகுத்துக் கூறியுள்ளார் என்றே தெரிகிறது. முக்கியமானவற்றைச் சுட்டிக் காட்ட விரும்புகிறேன்:

1. சிந்துசமவெளி மரபுகள், இரண்டு நீரோடைகளாக பிரிந்துள்ளதாக சான்றுகள் அறிவிக்கின்றன: “சிந்துசமவெளி மரபுகள்” என்று குறிப்பிடும் போது, அவையே பல “மரபுகள்” என்று காட்டுகிறார் போலும் பிறகு அவை இரண்டாகப் பிரிந்தது என்றால், “ஆரிய-திராவிட பிரிப்பு” எங்கிருந்து வந்தது? மூன்றாக, ஏன் நான்காகக் கூடப் பிரிந்திருக்கலாமே?

2.அவை, முந்தைய திராவிட மரபின் வேர்கள், பண்டைய தமிழகத்திற்குள்ளும், சிந்துசமவெளியிலும் இருப்பதை, சிந்துவெளி முத்திரைகள் உறுதிப்படுத்துகின்றன: சிந்துசமவெளி நாகரிகத்தின் உச்சநிலை காலம் c,2250-1850 BCE ஆகும், ஆனால், சங்ககாலம் c. 500-300 BCE ஆகும். பிறகு ஆரியர்கள் உடனே சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் வேதங்களை உச்சரித்து, ஆடு-மாடுகளை மேய்த்துக் கொண்டுத் திரிந்து கொண்டிருந்தபோது, திராவிடர்கள் இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்குப் பிறகு தான் தமிழில் பாட்டுகளைப் பாட முடிந்ததா?

3.பாண்டியர்களின் மூதாதையர்கள், சிந்துசமவெளியில் வணிகத்தில் ஈடுபட்டவர்களாக இருந்திருக்கலாம். அவர்கள், தெற்கு நோக்கி நகர்ந்து, திராவிட மொழி பேசியிருக்கலாம். குறிப்பாக, பண்டை தமிழ் பேசியவர்களாக இருந்திருக்கலாம்: இப்படி “இருக்கலாம்”, “இருக்கலாம்”…..என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போகும் போது, எப்படி உறுதியாக “சிந்துசமவெளி நாகரிகம் திராவிடர் நாகரிகமே”, என்று ஒரே போடு போட முடியும்?

4.முந்தைய இந்திய – ஆரிய பண்பாட்டுக்குள் உள்ள (ரிக் வேதம்) வார்த்தைகள், சிந்துவெளியில் இருந்து, கடன் மொழியாக நுழைந்திருக்கின்றன. ரிக் வேதத்தில் வரும், ‘பூசன்’ என்ற கடவுளின் பெயர், சிந்துவெளி மக்களிடம் இருந்து எடுக்கப்பட்டதாக அறிய முடிகிறது: அப்படியென்றால், அவை எங்கிருந்து சிந்துசமளிக்குள் நுழைந்தன? பிறகு அங்கிருந்தவர்கள் எல்லோருமே கடனாளிகள் தாமா? வார்த்தைகளை மற்றவர்களிடமிருந்து கடனாகப் பெற்றுக் கொண்டிருந்தால், அந்த மூல மொழி என்ன?

5.சிந்துசமவெளி நாகரிகம், முன் வேத பண்பாட்டை விட, காலத்தால் மிக முந்தையது என்பது, இதனால் விளங்குகிறது: இப்படி சில வார்த்தைகளை வைத்துக் கொண்டு முடிவுக்கு வந்தவிட முடியுமா? பிறகு ஆர்.டி. பானர்ஜி சிந்துசமவெளி அடுக்களுக்குக் கீழாக இருந்த கண்டு பிடித்த புத்த விஹாரம் என்னாவது? புத்தரின் காலம் என்னாவது? வேதங்களை எதிர்த்தது புத்தரா? அப்படியென்றால், கீழட்டுகள் முந்தைய காலத்தைச் சேர்ந்ததா அல்லது மேலடுக்குகள் முந்தைய காலத்தைச் சேர்ந்ததா? இதையெல்லாம் ஐராவதம் மஹாதேவன் விளக்குவாரா?

6.சிந்துசமவெளி குறியீடுகளுக்கும், பண்டை தமிழ் வார்த்தைகளுக்குமான தொடர்பு அதிகம் இருப்பதை, சங்க கால தமிழ் சொற்கள் மூலமாக அறியலாம்: சிந்துசமவெளி குறியீடுகள் மேலே குறிப்பிட்டப்படி c.2250-1850 BCE காலத்தைச் சேர்ந்ததாகும், ஆனால், சங்ககாலம், சங்க கால தமிழ் சொற்களின் காலம் c. 500-300 BCE தான். ஐராவதம் புத்தகத்தின் படியே தமிழி-தமிழ் பிராம்மியின் காலம் c. 300-200 BCE தான். அப்படியென்றால், முதலிலேயே சிந்துசமவெளியில் தோன்றியதாக கூறப்பட்ட சமஸ்கிருதம் முன்னாலேயே வளர்ச்சியடைந்து, 2,000 ஆண்டுகளுக்குப் பிறகு தமிழ் மொழி வந்தது ஏன்? அதிலும் சிந்துசமவெளியில் “சங்க இலக்கியங்கள்” தோன்றாமல், தமிழகத்தில் தோன்றியது ஏன்? சங்க கால தமிழ் சொற்கள் மூலமாக தொடர்பு அதிகம் இருந்தது என்றால், மற்ற மொழிகளும் அவ்வாறே கூறிக் கொள்ளலாமே? சங்க இலக்கியங்களீலேயே “பன்மொழிதேயத்தோர்” இருந்திருக்கின்றனரே?

7.செந்தமிழ் மாநாட்டின் போது, ஆஸ்கோ பார்போலா முதலில் “திராவிடர்” என்றால், பிறகு, சமஸ்கிருதத்தின் பங்கும் உள்ளது என்றார். அத்தகைய சமரச போக்குதான் இப்பொழுதும் இவரிடத்தில் காணப்படுகிறது.

8.“ஆரிய-திராவிட” இனங்கள் இல்லை என்று ரோமிலா தாபர் போன்ற மார்க்சீய சரித்திராசிரியர்களே ஒப்புக் கொண்டு விட்டனர். பிறகு அந்த குறுகிய கட்டுக்கதை-வளையத்தில் இருந்து கொண்டு சில முத்திரைகளில் உள்ள சின்னங்களைப் படித்து, ஒட்டு மொத்தமாக, அது இந்த மொழியினுடையே வரிவடிவம் தான் என்று சொல்வது சரியல்ல.

9.சுமார் 5,000க்கும் மேற்பட்ட முத்திரைகள் முழுவதும், இதே முறையைக் கொண்டு படித்துக் காட்டினால் ஒப்புக் கொள்வார்கள். அந்த மாதிரி, இதுவரை யாரும் செய்து காட்டவில்லை.

10.முன்பு தார்வார் இந்திய வரலாற்றுப் பேரவையில் இவர் “நேதி, நேதி” என்று சொல்லி முடித்தார். அதையே தான் இப்பொழுது நானும் சொல்ல வேண்டியுள்ளது.

 

As now, the old reports appeared in the newspapers are disappearing from the websites / internet sources, the available news are taken as “screen shot” images and posted here for reference.

Vedaprakash

30-03-2020

What S. Balakrishnan wants in the context of breaking codes of IVC –  how his pro-Tamil and fixed research could bring unbiased results?

February 24, 2020

What S. Balakrishnan wants in the context of breaking codes of IVC –  how his pro-Tamil and fixed research could bring unbiased results?

Needed coding- Outlook Magazine March 2020

I came across a FB dialogue in the context of Keeladi and it appears interesting and hence, I want to discuss. Actually, it is about the book, “Journey of A Civilization: Indus to Vaigai” by R. Balakrishnan. It has been received by one N. Sathiya Moorthy and appeared in the Outlook magazine dated March 2020. It has been duly circulated / shared by RB and his friends. Of course, there have been comments also. As it involves dating and two civilizations as they mention – Tamil and Vedic, as they decided, the review has been taken up for critical study.

Journey of civilization - book launch Dec.2019

Hindutva and pan-Tamil social media have been rivalling each other in propagating the relative antiquity[1]: The reviewer of R. Balakrishnan book started[2], “At a time when Hindutva and pan-Tamil social media have been rivalling each other in propagating the relative antiquity of the culture and scientific temper of their forebears without challenging each other, R. Balakrishnan keeps it academic, strengthening internal evidence to establish the ‘Dravidian heritage’ of the Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC),” thus, he decided that the groups mentioned have been at loggerheads. However,, the so-called Hindutwa groups have never faced the pro-Tamil groups, in the way the reviewer tried to equate and interpret or compare. The fact has been the pro-Tamil groups have been carrying on aggressive propaganda in all ways, where the Hindutwa groups are no match to them.

Vaigai river civilization, politicized

Does Balakrishnan stays away from controversy?: He went on[3], “Balakrishnan, honorary consul­tant at the Indus Research Centre (IRC) of Chennai’s Roja Muthiah Research Library, has stayed away from controversy, relying instead on scholarship, analytical facts and extensive reading of previous Indus and other archaeological and socio-anthropological studies to establish onomastic[4] linkages, based on commonplace and people names, between IVC and ancient Dravidian/Tamil culture and civilisation.” But, he has been pro-Tamil attitude only without considering the other source materials. RB has been in the habit of reading and interpreting place names as names appearing in the “Sangam literature.” However, he never reads all the names of villages, cities and towns situated in and around such places.

Tamil tons in Afganistan, Pakistan - IVC

Reading the names of villages, cities and towns as Tamil: He went on to explain his methodology as, “It is likely that such a detailed comparison of names of places and persons in present-day Pakistan, Afghanistan on the one hand and ‘Dravidian’ Tamil Nadu on the other would not have been possible without computer software. The linkages that the aut­hor has established between the ‘KVT commonality’ of place names (Korkai, Vanchi and Thondi), among others, in anci­ent Tamil Nadu and present-day Pakistan linked to IVC studies is fascinating”. As long as Balakrishnan could read the names of cities and towns of Afganistan, Sindh, Pakistan etc., it would be that of “arumin” reading of I. Mahadevan. Of course, he declared, “neti, neti,” with caution, but, Ballakishnan has been proceeding with a fixed agenda to prove that everything is Tamil. Ironically, his friend, the so-called “Orissa Balu” has also been doing that wherever he goes[5]. He does not require any historical or archaeological evidences.

R B declaed that IVC was Dravidian 2018

Before Vaigai excavations, Balakrishnan decides its nature: He went on to explain the ongoing excavation as, “The reference to the southern Tamil Nadu river Vaigai in the title relates to the ongoing archaeological research at the Keeladi neighbourhood. Balakrishnan, like many predecessors, has acc­epted a north-south migration as ‘Indus to Vaigai’ suggests, though the rev­erse might have been equally true, given that both civilisations were seafarers of repute and were trading, hence migrating. Alternatively, the two might have co-existed, and one might have outlived the other, about which independent studies may have to be undertaken”. Thus, though, the excavations are going on, he would come to conclusion. In other words, the archaeology should follow what the pro-Tamil researcher order or expect. His suggestion that the migrated people to Vaigai, was talking in Tamil there at IVC, becomes meaningless. If RB accepted a “north-south migration,” then, what about AIT? He has to come out with an explicit stand.

R B declaed that IVC was Dravidian 2016- Tamil book

The people of Maharastra and Gujarat could be speaking Tamil[6]: He went on to explain his looking below Gujarat and Maharastra as, “Balakrishnan has gone further to peel off layers of IVC-Dravidian linkages through a closer study of ‘Dravidian Gujarat’ and ‘Dravid­ian Maharashtra’ in the north and IVC ‘vestiges’ of the Kongu and Nagarathar communities in present-day Tamil Nadu. In particular, his substantial references to IVC-era excavations at Adhichanallur on the banks of the Tamirabarani and later-day works at Keeladi (Keezhadi) on the Vaigai, make the study more relevant”. Thus, the Gujarat and Maharastra people could be speaking Tamil, before they could know Sanskrit or their languages. Without giving any historical evidence, he goes on building hypothesis on hypothesis and concludes.

Keeladi, Outloook dating as 6000 BCE

Keeladi date 6000 BCE?[7]: He went on to explain the datings of Keeladi as, “Recent studies by the Tamil Nadu archaeology department and of the ASI in Keeladi, respectively, in 2003-05 and 2018-19, add value and validation. Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-­­Brahmi script older by 3000 years or so, at 6000 BCE. Against this, IVC is commonly dated at 3000-1300 BCE and by some at 5000 BCE. The antiquity of the Vedic Age is put at 1500-1100 BCE”. Thus, here, the cat has come out of the bag.  So they want to go before the Vedic period! This was pointed out by researcher K. V. Ramakrishna Rao in the FB column of Balakrishnan, but, it was reportedly deleted. However, as he posted the same in other “Outlook” sharings, two persons responded – Mani Manivannan and Sivarama KKrishna SK.  Initially, Mani Manivannan was defensive, “I am not sure where 6000 BCE in the article.” However, Sivarama Kkrishnan SK responded, “Sir, it seems it’s outlook magazine view which they have posted in their review or may be a typo error. But not Balakrishnan sir view, he has no where spoken this in his book.” When K. V. Ramakrishna Rao pointed out that it was in circulation, they informed that it was corrected. In other words, the line, “Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-Brahmi script older by 3000 years or so, at 6000 BCE,” was changed to, “Dating of the Keeladi excavations has since put ‘Dravidian antiquity’ and the related Tamil-Brahmi script older by 300 years or so, at 600 BCE”.

Keeladi, Outloook corrected dates as 580 BCE

Balakrishnan’s ‘Dravidian hypothesis’[8]: He went on to explain the ‘Dravidian hypothesis’ as, “In contextualising the ‘Dravidian hypothesis’ of the IVC, Balakrishnan readily concedes that a clearer picture could emerge if and only if the ‘Indus Code’ is deciphered, and a bilingual format found to fix the gaps in the current understanding of IVC. In doing so, he stops with establishing name-based connectivity between the two and has stuck to well-accepted ‘migration’ theories, indicating it is the Indus peoples who had moved down south—taking names and place names with them”. Thus, without breaking the code or deciphering the pictogram or script, he has decided that it should be “Dravidian”! In local media, he has been advocating that IVC should be called as “Dravidian land.” How then, he could look at scientifically without bias about the existing evidences. In spite of his claims made, he is not aking the DNA analysis etc., for his interpretation, but sticking to “Dravidian hypotheses” and theories[9].

KVR pointing out Balakrishnan review-outlook-1

IVC was Tamil only, as the place-names could be read, only in Tamil and not in Sanskrit: He went on to argue about the Sangam words as, “Yet, most meanings and explanations that he offers to the words flow from the Sangam literature or other Tamil sources. Considering that Sanskrit and Tamil have varying antiquities, though one might have borrowed words and phrases from the other, most of the person and place-names that the author has identified as common to anc­ient Tamil Nadu and IVC do not find a place in Vedic literature. As he has established, more literary linkages have rem­ained between IVC and ancient Tamil Nadu, rather than between IVC and Vedic north, whichever preceded the other”. How then, he is going to explain the gap of 2250-1950 BCE and 580-300 BCE gap? Why the Sangam people should take more than 2000 years to compose their poetry?

KVR pointing out Balakrishnan review-outlook-2

Balakrishnan has dedicated his work to the late Indus researcher Iravatham Maha­de­van: “Balakrishnan has dedicated his work to the late Indus researcher Iravatham Maha­de­van, who is acclaimed for his work on the ‘Tamil Brahmi’ script. Journey of a Civilisation is a must-read for students of archaeology and socio-anthropology. The publishers should try to take it to a larger audience, through a condensed version, but using com­­monly-spelt names (Silappadikaram ins­­­tead of Cilapaticaram) for the non-academic reader to relate to and identify with,” N. Sathiya Moorthy ended his write-up in this way. And we do not know what ideology he belongs to. Anyway, I Mahadevan had been a dedicated IVC researcher and done excellent work in preparing the concordance.

IVC is Tamil civilization, R. Balakrishnan

The Vaigai Valley Civilisation[10]: About “Vaigai Civilization,” he and his friends discussed and “The Hindu” carried a detailed report last November 2019 with the opinion of the TN government and the ideologists[11]. The Keeladi findings have led academics to describe the site as part of the Vaigai Valley Civilisation. The findings have also invited comparisons with the Indus Valley Civilisation. A researcher of the Indus Valley Civilisation and retired civil servant, R. Balakrishnan, points to the similarities in urban planning between the Indus Valley and Keeladi.  Rajan refers to the cultural gap of 1,000 years between the two places: “This cultural gap is generally filled with Iron Age material in south India. The graffiti marks encountered in Iron Age sites of south India serve as the only residual links between the Indus Valley Civilisation and south India.” Some of the symbols found in potsherds of Keeladi bear a close resemblance to Indus Valley signs. There is already a demand in the region to expand the excavation to more areas along the Vaigai so that there is archaeological evidence to prove the glory of life along the river in the ancient Pandya kingdom. Noted epigraphist V. Vedachalam supports the idea of an extended excavation beginning in Madurai. R. Balakrishnan accepted, However, more excavations have to be carried out in the Vaigai and Tamirabarani regions to conclusively figure out how close the Vaigai civilisation was to the Indus Valley in “temporal terms”. More excavations in the region are required, he says, along with timely submission of reports.

© Vedaprakash

24-02-2020

Keeladi dating-Sivaramakrishnan respose-outlook

[1] Incidentally, on 22-02-2020, the Hindutwa group realigned under “Centre for South India Studies,” arranged a meeting on Keeladi, but, not publicized. Thus, the purpose of the meeting has been defeated. Dr B.S. Harishankar came to Chennai, but, they failed to take advantage, as the media has been mum about the meeting. They should have consulted academicians or the persons who have contacts with historians etc., so that the meeting could have been made more fruitful, instead of keeping it within four walls.

[2] The Outlook, Needed: Indus Code Breakers, N. Sathiya Moorthy 02 March 2020. Review of R. Balakrishnan book

[3] https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/books-needed-indus-code-breakers/302820

[4] Onomastic – has been study of history and origin of proper names, just like etymological study.

[5]  He takes all piece-meal details in photos, news reports and other details and declares that all are Tamil, Tamil was spoken throughout the world and so on.

[6]  I have listened to the speeches of S. Balakrishnan at the auditorium of the Tamil Virtual Academy and I could note that his habitual way of interpreting the poems of Pattuppattu and Ettuttogai in his own way and tries to link with Tamil and Tamil people. He is not worried about  what the Tamil scholas, pundits and related experts have recorded in their commentaries and writings of and about the “Sangam literature.”

[7] About the dating of Kelladi, already, controversy has been going on, as they have not publicly exhibited the dating of other 5 or 6 samples sent to Beta Analytics and dated. I have already pointed out earlier when I asked Beta Analytics, they refused and when I wrote to TN State archaeological department, they have not replied so far. Therefore, under such circumstances, again, why they play with datings is intriguing.

[8] R. Balakrishnan, The ‘High-West: Low-East’ Dichotomy of Indus Cities: A Dravidian Paradigm, Bulletin of Indus Research Centre, No. 3, December 2012, Roja Muthiah Research Library, Chennai.

[9] Ironically, many Hindutwa guys support him directly and indirectly. Iravatham Mahadevan used to talk with them nicely in person, but, react exactly opposite, the moment they left. Here, how Balakrishnan has been – not known.

[10] The Hindu, Keeladi: Unearthing the ‘Vaigai Valley’ Civilisation of Sangam era Tamil Nadu, NOVEMBER 02, 2019 00:15 IST; UPDATED: NOVEMBER 02, 2019 12:16 IST

[11] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/unearthing-an-ancient-civilisation/article29856930.ece

 

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University – IHC has become congress of Rowdy historians! [5]

January 8, 2020

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University – IHC has become congress of Rowdy historians! [5]

A K Balan, Arif and Habib

Law Minister A K Balan tried to play down the turn of events: The governor on Sunday 29-12-2019, said historian Irfan Habib had tried to manhandle his aide-de-camp and added the protesters were not ready to hear him when he started responding to their position[1]. Speaking to a news channel later, the governor reiterated that protocol was violated during the event. “Governor’s programme duration shouldn’t be more than one hour. The organisers violated the schedule. The names of two speakers, including Habib, were not there on the initial programme list. But I sat there for one-and-a-half hours listening to speeches,” he said[2]. Earlier in the day, Khan summoned Chief Secretary Tom Jose to Raj Bhavan over the Kannur incident. Sources said the governor expressed his unhappiness over the ‘protocol violation’ and sought a reply. Law Minister A K Balan tried to play down the turn of events by saying the chief secretary met Khan to apprise him of the details of the Cabinet decisions. As a law minister, obviously, he realized the consequences, whereas, the senile Habib could not do that. Kannur University vice-chancellor said earlier in the day that there was a violation of the protocol and Habib’s speech was not included in the programme schedule. It shows that the hosting VC knew what was happening or what Habib would do on the stage. Therefore, the involvement and collusion of VC with Habib could be noted. In any case, much damage has been done to IHC that could be repaired with much difficulty in the coming years.

Marxist historians, India

IHC has become a den of Marxist historians: Established in 1935, and have 2530 life members, 33,000 annual members. The IHC enjoys ‘monopoly’ over the historical narrative of the country, and almost all the history books promoted by the central government (NCERT, recommended in Central Universities syllabus), state governments, are written by the members of IHC.  Habib is a son of Mohammed Habib, a Marxist historian from Aligarh Muslim University, and grandson of Mohammed Naseem, a wealthy barrister and a member of Congress party. He was a professor of History at AMU and later appointed as Professor Emeritus after retirement. The “eminent” members IHC are the usual suspects, who presented or fabricated the evidence contrary to the historical Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, on which Babri Masjid was constructed. Romila Thapar, D N Jha, Bipin, Chandra, Satish Chandra, R S Sharma, Mridula Mukherjee, Nurul Hasan, Sumit Sarkar, Athar Ali and many others enjoyed a monopoly over the official narrative of history. Post the Supreme Court’s Ayodhya verdict that came in favour of the temple, these leftist historians stood exposed. And the more interesting fact is, almost all of them are self-described Marxists and belong to ‘Marxist school of historiography’. In historiography, this type of stereotypes, monopoly, and forceful thrust of ideology do not work in the long run. Definitely, people have started questioning their ideology, as in practice, it does not work. Therefore, any ideology that does not solve the basics of common people, would be thrown away automatically.

Marxist historians, India-2

Marxist-Mohammedan medieval historiography forced and imposed by JNU-DU-AMU gang: Almost all the office bearers, regional members, sectional presidents, and E. C. are “Marxists”. A person does not enjoy ’eminence’ until and unless s/he is a member of IHC, and this body has a monopoly of Marxists[3]. The topmost professional body of Historians is dominated by the people from one school of thought; one could not find a single member from any other non-Marxist school in this body[4]. The members of IHC also dominated the government history research bodies like- Indian Council of Historical Research, an institution under Ministry of HRD. Habib was chairman of ICHR from 1986 – 1993, and he employed his colleagues from IHC at ICHR too. After the Modi government came to power, it tried to end the monopoly of Marxist and Nehruvian historians, by placing historians from diverse schools of thought. The monopolized, autocratic and dominated attitude and behaviour only led to the creation of local history congresses in each state. However, by blaming BJP, RSS or any right-wingers, these leftists, Marxist, Mohammedans and other divisive gangs cannot do anything good to the country. That is why people have lost interest in history and historians. Many universities removed history subject/courses from the curriculum, as it could not fetch any job in the current scenario.

Marxist historians, India-3

Definitely, the unruly acts of historians were planned: As an observer, I can register the facts that the learned Habib had lied, on many accounts. All delegates were thoroughly frisked, checked and allowed inside. Therefore, if some of “delegates” or “historians” entered with placards, then, he was responsible for such act as the president. That means, they entered evidently with the good books of Irfan Habib or under his clout. The Kerala MP K. K. Ragesh only started talking politics exceeding limits and the governor had to respond.  Had they [the historians] had come for the history, Irfan should have first prevented that MP as he spoiled the so-called “scientific and secular nature of history” principle reportedly followed by the IHC. As he accused Kerala government, then, the government could react to Habib? Habib has become senile and evidently, he does not know the Act and Rules in these aspects, and therefore talking definitely nonsense about “posting police” etc. Let him worry about the history and not to politicize and spoil IHC. The planned rowdyism of IHC gang could be seen here[5]. The video exposes the ugly mindset and behaviour of the so-called eminent historians. The irony that the so-called eminent, elite and emeritus historians behaved like politicians, agents of some political and party paid protesters! Since 1980s, these “historians” have been divided into “Marxist,” “AMU,” “JNU,”  “Mohammedan, “Bengali” and so on!  They never cared for the South Indians. They have one set of 30-40 persons and group regroup and manipulate the governing body and enjoy life. Even after retirement, as they want to monopolize they have been doing this academic fraud to sideline other historians. Here, Irfan Habib physically misbehaved with the Governor, as could be clearly noted from the videos. This is a security breach and unbecoming for a historian like him.

Marxist historians, India-fraud

Dalits, women and Muslims: When the first day was ruined with the folly of the senile old man, the next day was dominated with the heavy dosage of old wine in old bottles making the listeners to sleep. As the hall was air-conditioned, in the sweating Kannur climate, some hundreds went there and took good rest. On the second day 29-12-2019, of the Indian History Congress (IHC), history of the marginalized assumed centre stage and there were deliberations on women, dalits and the marginalized sections[6]. It appears that these historians, unwittingly, have taken up the old failed thesis to whip up the passion, but, as awareness has been created, they cannot fool the public.  The speakers who addressed various sessions opined that what we need is not rewriting history but adding new things to it. There were efforts to rewrite history, they said[7]. Historian Rajan Gurukkal, who chaired a session on Kerala history, said that the process of writing history will go on and the imagined state of the end of history will never happen. Historian Kesavan Veluthat, another panellist, said “William Logan idolised Nairs and termed them as ‘great Nairs, while he demonized Muslims and referred to them as ‘horrible Muslims’.” Historian Sanal Mohan talked about the challenges of alternative history and said that unless we did not have archives, we would not be able to tell anything new. The session on dalit history opined that there should be more studies on this segment. The influence of dalit politics in literature was one main aspect of the session. They went on mentioning the expression “dalit”, whereas, the government long back, ordered through a circular not to use it, as it is neither legal nor constitutional. Moreover, when the PM government came to power, it also instructed not to use it[8]. The session ‘Women in India: Reconstructing Women’s History’ by Aligarh Historians’ Society deliberated upon the rights of women and issues they face.

© Vedaprakash

08-01-2020

Why police stood before Habib

[1] Indian Express, Day after heckled in Kannur, Governor acts tough, says protecting Constitution his responsibility, Published: 30th December 2019 04:27 AM | Last Updated: 30th December 2019 08:14 AM

[2] http://newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2019/dec/30/day-after-heckled-in-kannur-guv-acts-tough-says-protecting-constitution-his-responsibility-2082548.html

[3] TFI.Post, You will know why Irfan Habib snapped if you know about IHC, the apex body responsible for all historical distortion, by Amit Agrahari, 29 December 2019.

[4] http://tfipost.com/2019/12/you-will-know-why-irfan-habib-snapped-if-you-know-about-ihc-the-apex-body-responsible-for-all-historical-distortion/

[5] http://asianetnews.com/kerala-news/protest-against-kerala-governor-in-kannur-q37mjq

[6] Times of India, History of marginalized takes centrestage on Day 2 of IHC, TNN | Dec 30, 2019, 4:58 IST.

[7] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/history-of-marginalized-takes-centrestage-on-day-2-of-ihc/articleshow/73022399.cms

[8] Times of India, Kerala govt prohibits using ‘Dalit’, ‘Harijan’ in official communications, TIMESOFINDIA.COM | Updated: Oct 18, 2017, 0:56 IST

NEW DELHI: The Kerala Information and Public Relations Department’s internal circular has directed to avoid usage of words “Dalit” and “Harijan” in its official communications. The order was issued based on the directive from Kerala State Commission for Scheduled Castes (SC) and Scheduled Tribes (ST) Chairman Justice PN Vijayakumar.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/kerala-govt-bans-prohibits-using-dalit-harijan-in-official-communications/articleshow/61123362.cms

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University –The Governor speech was interrupted, Irfan Habib created a scene on the stage misbehaving! [4]

January 8, 2020

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University –The Governor speech was interrupted, Irfan Habib created a scene on the stage misbehaving! [4]

IHC - the two girls that created ruckus, Deepak touching police

Note those two “women-delegates,” who were used as a front, to start the ruckus and ten run riot to spoil the image of IHC.

IHC - the girl that created problem

See her face, how it changes…………..

IHC - the girl that created problem, how much strength

Yes, she can use force, as could be seen from her facial expression of violence…

The Bengali girl tossed the cap of the police

In that skirmish, the Lady-police hat was tossed and she catches it and wears! Thus, the so-called “woman-delegate” has no decency to respect a “Woman-police”! Is that way, she has been taught to oppose the authority?

Irfan Habib, the two women delegates and the rabble-rousing historians are not innocent: The media continued to report twisting the facts of events, as follows: “When the governor touched upon the subject of the CAA and defended the Centre, some participants started raising their voices in protest. When he said the house is open for discussion, two women delegates who were research fellows in the JNU, raised placards saying ‘this house (India) is not open for any discussions’. Even though the governor was heard saying that they have the right to protest democratically, the security officers tried to eject them. By then, the atmosphere was charged. Participants, students and professors began chanting slogans against the governor’s “political remarks”. According to some delegates, Khan quoted Maulana Azad, saying “the Partition took the dirt away but some potholes were left behind, where water has collected and now it is stinking.” He told the protestors, “You are causing a foul smell. Maulana Azad had said this for you.” This is when noted historian, professor Irfan Habib stood up and asked him to “quote Nathuram Godse” rather than Maulana Azad or Gandhi”. The media has utterly failed in pointing out the illegal misbehaviour, misconduct and unruly act of Irfan Habib and the so-called “women delegates”!

Histrisans shouting at Governer

Historians shouted and created ruckus-2

Historians shouted and created ruckus-3

Running riot historians or delegates

Running riot historians or delegates or mob

How the media has been mischievous in glorifying the rowdy behaviour of the historians: The media continued to report twisting the facts of events, as follows: “Particularly unseemly was the pandemonium that marked the inaugural with the distinguished historian and president of the current IHC, Irfan Habib (Aligarh school) getting up from his chair on the stage to remark, “The Governor may talk about Godse but not Maulana Azad.” That punctuated the Governor’s presentation with a full stop[1]. Mr Khan had his dander up, provoking the protesters to debunk the constitutional head for what they called his “unwarranted political remarks”. It needs to be underlined that the Indian History Congress ought not to be the venue of an ideological spat[2]. While the West Bengal Governor was barred from entering the JU campus as Chancellor on convocation day, the Kerala Governor, Mr Arif Mohammad Khan, was booed so severely that he had to wind up his address, claiming that his freedom of speech was being denied”.  Silly, stupid and ridiculous for the media to conclude that the act of disrespecting the Governors in the universities is a great job. That proves their ugly mindset of acting against the Act and Rules of this nation.

Irfan Habib tried to prevent Governer-4

Irfan’s idiotic talk of IHC not inviting the Governor: The media continued to report twisting the facts of events, as follows: “Historian Irfan Habib said the Indian History Congress (IHC) did not invite Kerala Governor Arif Mohammad Khan and it was the host institution, Kannur University, which invited him and other political leaders. “It is the right of the host institution to invite, however, we would not have thought of him,” the historian said criticising the Governor[3]. He was responding to the event that unfolded during the inauguration of the 80th session of the IHC at the university. He told The Hindu that the delegates were provoked when he started to speak about the Citizenship Amendment Act and denounced the Muslims. “The Governor was not invited to speak on CAA and the time of IHC is not for wasting,” he said adding that the Governor had the right to speak to an audience of his own[4]. The historian pointed out that the Governor was going into things that were no concern to the IHC. He was asked to address the IHC and not to a political audience, he asserted. Asked if there was a violation of the Governor’s protocol, Mr. Habib said the protocol did not govern the IHC and they had their own constitution. The members of IHC are governed by the Indian Constitution and the IHC’s, he said adding that the Governor’s protocol was false. Habib pointed out that in the past the President, the Vice-President and other eminent people attended the congress without any protocol. Habib was also critical of the Kerala government for posting the police at the IHC venue. The government should explain why policemen were deputed and four people were detained, he said. Habib also accused the police of obstructing him, when they had no business to be on the podium. So he pushed them aside to speak to the local secretary. He also expressed his concern that it happened in Kerala, where the Left government was governing.

Irfan pulled by Kannur VC and taken aside

Irfan Habib’s lies and the media coverage: There have been many documents that lay mandatory conditions as to how a Governor has to be treated when he is invited for any function. A University is a place, where, educated people are there, it is unimaginable that such events could have taken place at Kannur. Being a responsible historian, Habib went on telling lies.:

  1. Whether IHC invited, Kannur University invited, that is immaterial, as the so-called historians have to behave properly respecting the post.
  2. The Governor has not only been head of the Kerala State, but, Chancellor of all Universities of Kerala.
  3. The VC of Kannur University is responsible for the behaviour of the historians or delegates, who came there.
  4. As the Kannur University hosted the session, the IHC has been equally responsible for the decent behaviour and smooth proceedings of the deliberations.
  5. That the “women-delegates” were so prompt and ready to swing in action to show the placards, shout slogans and roughly behaved with the police proved that they had planned already.
  6. Habib’s blabbering that, “the Governor had the right to speak to an audience of his own,” is idiotic, because, he was the first person started heckling and interfering with the speech of the Governor.
  7. Habib’s, “I am 88; his ADC must have been 35 or 40. You can imagine the falsity of this statement from these facts,” rant[5] has been totally false, as the video proved his behaviour.
  8. Ironically, not only ADC, the VC had to control him, pull his hands, pulled him aside and made him to sit away from the Governor. So all had watched how the 88 behaved with vigour!
  9. The reporter of “The Hindu” and other media houses should know some fundamentals about the duties of Chancellor, VC and other dignitaries of the University.
  10. The IHC had involved in politics long back and the historians cannot fool common people and citizens of India. Perhaps, the people might start questioning them one day, if they continue to lie in this fashion. It is not their “Marxist or Mohammedan historiography” to interpret, misinterpret or distort to suit them without any objectivity, impartiality and neutrality.

Irfan Habib a liar, rowdy

What Governor told

Telling lies bad for historians: The media continued to report twisting the facts of events, as follows: “Historians[6], Jabir Raza of AMU and Farhat Hasan of DU, said[7], “When the protests commenced, professor Irfan Habib, who was on the dais in the capacity of the outgoing president of the IHC, got up from his seat and proceeded to the VC of Kannur University, Gopinath Ravindran, to request him to stop what was happening and requested the governor to refrain from turning the IHC into his political arena. He had also requested the governor to stop making remarks of the nature he was indulging in. As soon as Habib went there, the ADC and the security officer of the governor pushed him aside and tried to stop him. The governor, too, started accusing Habib of trying to stop him from speaking.” But, these two were sitting 100 ft away among the audience, of course shouting at the Governor, as the videos show, therefore, they had lied only. Irony and regrettable that the historians behave like rowdies.

© Vedaprakash

07-01-2020

Rowdiism at IHC Kannur, 2019

[1] The Statesman, Profund and profane, SNS Web | New Delhi | December 31, 2019 2:45 pm

[2] http://thestatesman.com/opinion/profound-and-profane-1502839562.html

[3] The Hindu, Indian History Congress did not invite Governor: Irfan Habib, C.P. Sajit, KANNUR, DECEMBER 29, 2019 16:55 IST; UPDATED: DECEMBER 29, 2019 17:30 IST

[4] http://thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/indian-history-congress-did-not-invite-governor-irfan-habib/article30425605.ece – comments_30425605

[5] The Telegraph, Habib responds to Kerala governor: No fisticuffs, I’m 88, By K.M. Rakesh in Bangalore Published 31.12.19, 7:15 AMUpdated 31.12.19, 7:15 AM- The governor told a Malayalam channel on Sunday that Habib had started ‘fisticuffs’ with his ADC on the dais

http://telegraphindia.com/india/habib-responds-to-kerala-governor-no-fisticuffs-im-88/cid/1731739

[6] Times of India, MU, DU historians refute Kerala governor’s claim of heckling by Irfan Habib, Anuja Jaiswal | TNN | Dec 30, 2019, 4:18 IST

[7] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/agra/amu-du-historians-refute-kerala-governors-claim-of-heckling-by-irfan-habib/articleshow/73021211.cms

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University – Highly politicized and spoiled show – The Governor targeted with agenda! [3]

January 2, 2020

The 80th session of Indian History Congress held at Kannur University – Highly politicized and spoiled show – The Governor targeted with agenda! [3]

IHC Kannur politicized with rowdyism

The ugly political background of the present IHC: The background of Kannur and politics have to be known, probed and understood by historians. IHC has been conducting its annual tamasha only in Communist, congress and Mohammedan dominated areas since 1980s. It is a fact that those government sponsor and grant money, so that their political ideologies are nurtured, percolated through papers and getting published in the proceedings. This is how the academic proceedings have been manipulated. Instead of uniting youth, they have been doing their worst to divide them based on communalized ideology, ideologized polity and politicized pseudo-secularism. None could imagine that Ambedkar did not know secularism, just because, it was inserted later. Therefore, the amendment of the provisions of the Constitution according to the existing exigency has been quite normal, whereas, the opposition parties have been trying to run riot on one or other pretext.

Kannur political and communal murders Graphics-4

Organizing Committee formed with the CM and other political leaders: The 80th edition of Indian History Congress would be held at Kannur University in the last week of December 2019[1].

  1. Kerala Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan and
  2. Minister of State for External Affairs V Muralidharan were elected as the chief patrons of its organising committee[2].
  3. The university’s Vice-Chancellor Gopinath Raveendran is its chairman.
  4. District panchayath President K V Sumesh,
  5. Syndicate member Dr V P P Musthafa, PK Sreemathi,
  6. Pro VC Dr PT Raveendran,
  7. Syndicate members Dr John Joseph,
  8. Advocate P Santhosh Kumar and
  9. Binju Kandakkai were elected as other members of the committee[3].
  10. Syndicate member A Nishanth,
  11. historian Dr C Balan,
  12. University Union chairperson Sisira TK were elected as conveners.
  13. Dr P Mohandas was elected as local secretary and
  14. Dr Manjula Poyil was elected as Treasurer.

Apart from them, cultural leaders, representatives of the people, political party leaders, research scholars, journalists, teachers and students are also part of the committee[4]. Pro VC Dr PT Raveendran presided over the meeting. VC Dr Gopinath Raveendran spoke about the importance of the event.

  1. Ports Minister Ramachandran Kadannappally was the chief guest.
  2. District panchayath president KV Sumesh,
  3. corporation councillor Lisha Deepak,
  4. Dr VPP Mushtafa, Biju Kandakkai, A Nishanth, Dr John Joseph,
  5. CPM district secretary MV Jayarajan,
  6. CPI district secretary P Santhosh Kumar,
  7. IUML district general secretary Abdul Karim Cheleri, Dr Manjula Poil and Dr C Balan participated in the meeting held.

Thus, the Marxist, Leninist, and all communist categories, Mohammedan and “secular” groups have ganged up, obviously to do something.

Kannur political and communal murders Graphics-3

IUML and communists engaged in poltical murders in Kannur and other places: It is interesting to note how IHC is regularly dominated with politicians, that too, with fundamentalist Mohammedans.  Just in May 2019, when CPM Kannur district secretary M V Jayarajan demanded that Muslim women who queue up in polling booths should remove their face veil, Abdul Karim Cheleri said the communal mindset of the CPM has been exposed through Jayarajan’s statement[5]. LDF candidate P K Sreemathi too supported the demand[6]. “Jayarajan had raised the issue to prevent bogus voting. It’s not an anti-religious statement, said Sreemathi[7]. However, IUML does not want others to interfere with their religious sanctions[8]. Moreover, for IHC how these politicians are coming together is not, as otherwise, their party cadres have been involved in killing each other. Just two months back, the same Abdul Karim Cheleri accused CPI (M) involved in killing their cadre accusing another Jayarajan[9]. Isahak, 38, was allegedly hacked to death at Tanur by a group of unidentified assailants with suspected links to the ruling Left[10]. Meanwhile, the IUML alleged that there was a CPI(M) conspiracy behind the attack.[11] “Former Kannur district secretary P Jayarajan came to the area a few days ago and held a meeting where some of the culprits also took part,” a Youth League leader alleged.

Kannur political and communal murders Graphics-1

How K.K.N.Kurupp narrates about the murderous Kannur heritage: The culture of bloodshed in Kannur, which continues even today despite ritualistic political handshakes to give peace a chance, is probably as old as the folk traditions of the land, its myths and history[12]. From the myths of theyyams that glorified the subaltern gods to the Vadakkanpattu (ballads) and the revolt against the British by Pazhassi Raja, there are plenty of stories where people shed blood with pride. But in the age of democracy why is this place obsessed with martyrdom? Is it because a martyr is a political investment? From the murder of RSS leader Vadikkal Ramakrishnan in Thalassery in 1968 (considered to be the first political murder) to killing of E Santhosh (another RSS activist) in January 2017, nearly 186 people have been killed here over the past five decades. The north Malabar region always had a tradition of violence right from the days of feudalism, said historian K K N Kurup[13]. “If the reason is politics, why is it not there in other parts of India or Kerala? Why they practice this camouflage battle strategy here only?“ he asked. He felt that this was the continuation of a tribal character though their act of vendetta is political in nature. “If African tribes involve in fights to assert their racial supremacy, here it is for political supremacy. Both reflect the same attitude. I feel they have the element of the `suicidal fighter’ in this age of democracy ,“ he said.

Kannur political and communal murders Graphics-2

K.K.N.Kurupp – refuted for his linking traditional pattus and dances to violence: However, it is wrong to link the gory culture in politics with Vadakkanpattu, said kalaripayattu exponent P Meenakshi Amma. “The fights narrated in Vadakkanpattu had a basic element of ethics. In the political battlefield, bloodshed is mostly an act of vendetta. They get involved in it because they have no knowledge about the tradition of kalaripayattu and Vadakkanpattu,“ she said. But this political violence cannot be isolated from the folk tradition of the place that often told the story of the lower-caste victims, said researcher T Sasidharan, who heads the political science department of Kannur S N College. He had exhaustively researched the history of political violence in Kannur and wrote a book titled `Radical Politics of Kannur’. “When we look at the socioeconomic aspect of the murders and violence in Kannur, it can be seen that nearly 65% of the martyrs, irrespective of politics, belong to the thiyya community. A majority of them are economically-backward,“ he said. Though the murder of Ramakrishnan is considered to be the beginning of political murders in Kannur, the roots of political violence began with the emergence of Praja Socialist Party (PSP) in the 1950s under P R Kurup, he said. There were clashes between PSP and the Communist Party in Panur and with the disintegration of PSP in the late 60s, the violence took a new turn when its workers joined Jana Sangh.

Jayaraj with Madani poster-IHC
It was only the political competition between the Communists and the Mohammedans: Though political rivalry is said to the reason for the violence here, the political character is fast vanishing and `quotation culture’ is making inroads, said K P Mohanan, a local political observer who has closely followed the culture of bloodshed in Kannur. Though murders have been an ongoing process, incidents such as the attack on CPM district secretary P Jayarajan on August 25, 1999 worsened the situation. This ultimately led to the murder of Yuva Morcha leader KT Jayakrishnan on December 1, 1999, and a spate of murders followed, he added. “It is a fact that Kannur shows a tribal character when it comes to murder, and that is why if one person is killed, his political tribe target the rival elsewhere. But, the tragedy is that quite often the poor working-class people coming home after their day’s work are the victims,“ he said. Incidentally, while murders in the past took place in broad daylight, now it is committed at night and this has given rise to the impression that some `third parties’ and quotation gangs ¬ without any political commitment ¬ have replaced the political warriors, claimed residents.

© Vedaprakash

01-01-2020

Pinarayee with Madani poster-IHC

[1] Indian Express, Kannur University to host Indian History Congress in December, Published: 24th September 2019

[2] http://edexlive.com/news/2019/sep/24/kannur-university-to-host-indian-history-congress-in-december-8326.html

[3] The Hindu, Organising panel formed for history congress, STAFF REPORTER, KANNUR, SEPTEMBER 26, 2019 02:01 IST, UPDATED: SEPTEMBER 26, 2019 02:01 IST.

[4] http://thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/organising-panel-formed-for-history-congress/article29513641.ece

[5] Indian Express, MV Jayarajan’s comment on face veil courts controversy, Published: 19th May 2019 03:34 AM | Last Updated: 19th May 2019 03:34 AM

[6] http://newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2019/may/19/m-v-jayarajans-comment-on-face-veil-courts-controversy-1978790.html

[7] The Hindu, Jayarajan’s remark triggers row, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTKANNUR , MAY 18, 2019 18:38 IST, UPDATED: MAY 18, 2019 18:38 IST.

[8] http://thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/jayarajans-remark-triggers-row/article27172605.ece

[9] Business Standard, Five held in connection with IUML worker’s killing, Press Trust of India | Malappuram , Last Updated at October 25, 2019 20:35 IST

[10] http://business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/five-held-in-connection-with-iuml-worker-s-killing-119102501261_1.html

[11] Economic Times, Politics of violence: Kannur witnessed 186 Murders, TNN, Updated: Mar 08, 2017, 01.05 PM IST

[12] http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/politics-of-violence-kannur-witnessed-186-murders/articleshow/57532865.cms

Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop! What about Oakism working against “Hindu cause”? It should stop immediately!

July 8, 2019

Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop! What about Oakism working against “Hindu cause”? It should stop immediately!

Fight among the right

Why rightist historian Aravindan Neelakandan attacks another rightist historian?: Aravindan Neelakandan is considered as right-wing intellectual, Hindutwavadi and “hitorian” for RSS. He is often invited by the Sangha Parivar organization to talk about various topics. The Hindutwa websites[1] of various categories praise him as “savior of Hinduism” and so on. He has exhibited certain type of “anti-brahmin” attitude thrugh his writings in social media. Wikipedia mentions him characteristically[2], as he “… is an Indian writer. He… belongs to the post-socialist Indian thinkers of cultural evolutionism about Indian ethnogenesis.” Some of Hindutwavadis have started criticizing him also[3]. However, he has not been seen in any history Congress of published any research paper. Last year, he was seen with Dr Venkata Ragotham[4], Dean of  School of Social Sciences and International Studies during the PondyLifest 2018, discussing “Aryans, Dravidians and Indians: Future of India”. However, as a researcher or as “historian” did not follow any methodology, but, talked very generally[5]. If any one listens to him carefully, his own way “okism” could be noted easily, as he did not give any historical evidence. For some reason, it is evident that he has been targeting P. N. Oak. In December 2017, when there was a criticizing article on P. N. Oak[6], immediately, he came out with his attack[7], of course referring to it. So, now, in 2019, when he wrote like this, I was provoked very much for his bias.

Michael, Venkat, AV, Sankara Narayan

He does not know the difference between wall painting and sculpture: He wrote in “Swarajya,” as follows:

Recently there has been a lot of sensation in the media over the speculation made by a a team from an organization called Ayodhya Shodh Sansthan linking a sculpted mural in a rock cliff in Iraq to Ramayana. The expedition was accompanied by among others, Indian ambassador to Iraq, Pradeep Singh Rajpurohit. If at all, he has to criticize, he should have criticized this “Ayodhya Shodh Sansthan” for going there, with government funds to promote such “okism,” as dubbed by him. But, without knowing the difference between wall painting and sculpture, he pounced upon P. N. Oak and criticized Prof Sharad Hebalkar.

Naturally the media reported this news and many Hindutvaites have been happy to see an old fantasy of a world Vedic empire getting vindicated — the fantasy of the P N Oak type[8].

Disparaging P. N.Oak: He continued, “This fantasy of a world-wide Vedic empire is a consistent weakness in the worldview of certain Hindutvaites. P N Oak — an ex-INA freedom fighter turned ‘historian’ — had a life-long obsession to prove that Vedic Dharma once existed throughout the world. Soon many claims were made, many of them laughable but not for those who  considered them to be true. [9].

Thus Jerusalem was Yadhusailam, Canterbury was Skandapuri, Vatican was Vadika – a city of gardens, Incas were Ishvaku, Aztecs were Aastikas and California was Kapila-Aaranya. In fact, these, Hindutwavadis were appreciating and supporting P. N. Oak. Ironically, lectures were arranged in IIT etc., by the Sangha people. Used and exploited his books, but, now, he attacks him!

 “We see what we love to see. Consider the following picture. What is shown here is a purported artistic depiction of a stele of the pre-Colombian era from Guatemala.

Sharad Hebralkar book

Picture – An artistic depiction of a stele from Gautemala (L), Cover of a book by Sharad Hebalkar (R)

Dr Sharad Hebalkar, BISS: He continued, “The publication I have before me — Dr Sharad Hebalkar’s Essays on History of Pre-Columbian America — claims that this is actually a depiction of Ganesa — notice the trunk in the face — and Siva, His father in the sky. However, if one looks at these particular types of steles, which are quite abundant in the pre-Colombian sculptures of South America, one can see that it is not so”.

Sharad Hebralkar book-2

Picture – The variations of the same theme in steles and a close-up of one. The ‘artistic depiction’ is a clear misreading or an example of ‘seeing what one wants to see’ fallacy

Still if one wants, s/he can claim that the stele actually shows Bhagiratha and the Ganga with Siva getting it to the earth through His matted hair. Or one — deluded to the brim of his cranium with ‘Ancient Aliens’ serial — can also claim that it actually shows extra-terrestrial origins of our civilizations. All these are actually nothing but archaeological Rorschach figures. Taken out of their archaeological, historical and cultural contexts, these artifacts get interpreted from the historical and cultural contexts of the interpreter. Perhaps, he would not have read Waddell, Mackanzie, Chamanlal etc., leave alone P. N. Oak. So why he targets Oak and leaves others? This is intriguing…….His way of reducing them to “archaeological Rorschach figures” is amusing. Recently, Ganapati Stapati also brought out a book repeating the same ideas on his own. Thus, obvious, the main point that Oak had dealt with other issues, had been the “myth of Jesus Christ”! So this affects him?

Christianity, Krishna Niti, P N Oak

In the case of the ‘Rama and Hanuman’ mural the same fallacy has happened. It is at best a sculptural Rorschach. In this context, let it be said that it was a person using the Twitter handle of @TrueIndology — whose account has yet again been suspended by Twitter — who publicized and punctured the so-called Rama connection by pointing out that it was actually an ‘Akkadian warrior tramping a defeated Hurrian while another Hurrian begs’.

Rama, AV, twitter

– Picture- Tweet referring to what @TrueIndology had said about the Rama-Hanuman mural discovered in Iraq.

By building elaborate ancient world histories based on such illusions, we are undermining a more important, serious cause that Hindutva should serve.

In a way, the Hindu civilization is the last standing civilization that has a natural religion. Everywhere in the world the aboriginal natural religions along with the pagan religions of the West have been destroyed or are undergoing destruction. From the Yazidis to the Australian aborigines to the native American tribes, the destruction effected has been colossal.

However, these cultures need not have been derived from the Vedic culture to be protected. They have to be protected because they represent human diversity and validate the spiritual unity of humanity through theo-diversity. In fact ‘unity in diversity’ is the basis of  Hindutva.

And hindered spiritual communities have looked at India — naturally and spontaneously for their protection — for validating them. Let us consider, for example, Umbanda, an African religion from Brazil. The communities practicing this spiritual tradition claim that their tradition can be traced back to the sacred Aum of Hindu Dharma. Here, what is at play is not as much a historical fact, as a realization of spiritual kinship with the natural religion of India. Thus, India becomes the protectress of the world’s natural and aboriginal spirituality.

Aztec, honoured by RSS head

Picture – The Elders’ Conferences conducted to preserve global theo-diversity and natural spiritual traditions by the Sangh has its roots in the vision and wisdom of Ram Swarup.

Keonraad Elst

Historical (and often) pseudo-claims of a Vedic world civilization: He continued, “Incidentally, the Sangh realizes this. It has been conducting conferences of ‘World Elders’ belonging to various indigenous traditions. Dr Koenraad Elst traces the spiritual inspiration for this series of events to the deep thinker and magnificent Hindutva intellectual, Ram Swarup (1920-1998). Yashwant Pathak, the co-founder of the International Center for Cultural Studies (ICCS) — along with Prof S W Bakhle — acknowledges that Ram Swarup was one of the inspirations. Ram Swarup, rather than claiming a common historical origin (with India being that origin), anticipated a grand spiritual validation of the theo-diversity of human species. He embraced both monotheism and polytheism with his roots in the Vedic dictum of ‘unity without sacrificing the diversity’.

As against this, the approach through historical (and often) pseudo-claims of a Vedic world civilization for uniting the natural spiritual traditions of the world is bound to fail. His speech at PondyLitFest 2018 on inculturation, Hindu religion etc., have been amusing in the context. Yes, like a politician, he talks and writes differently! So he has no right to criticize Oak or Sharad Hebalkar.

He concluded as follows: “What is more important in Iraq today is to network with the Yazidis and provide them the comfort that there is a cousin spiritual tradition and people supporting them rather than inventing the footprints of Rama in Iraq”.

Pre Christian Buddhism

What is going on among the Hindutwavadis?: Nowadays, the open accusation, blaming and fighting with each other by the Hindutwavadis, cadres etc., have been open in Tamilnadu. Each person or group tries to project him/herself with their group / groups with vested interests. Of course, the power, money and business interests affect them to get exposed at one level. However, when they claim that they work for “Hindu cause,” that is becoming a myth. Ironically, many directly and indirectly work for Christians and Mohammedans too. Politicization of the cadres has corrupted them with extra-ideological interests. Particularly, in the social media and the functions conducted without informing all, but, known afterwards, expose the hidden agenda. As still thousands have been working for the cause, sincerely and honestly, the facts comes out one day. Therefore, talking, writing and behaving differently a different forums, stages and gatherings would harm not only the “Hindu cause,” but also their integrity, because of such duplicity practiced.

P N Oak

To understand P. N. Oak (1917-2007): He has been exploited by the Hindutwa groups, right-wing cadres and BJPwalas like anything. His books on “Taj Mahal” are still quoted today. Many Hindutwa researchers and writers and websites, freely use his writings, findings and materials without mentioning his name. To understand the fact, the lengthy article on him should be read[10]. His association with Netaji and Savarkar could be noted and appreciated[11]. However, the criticism started perhaps from Koenraad Elst[12] has been picked up by others. Later, he used the expression[13] “okism.” Many of his books can be downloaded from here[14]. As for as his historiography is concerned, his methodology was accepted till 1960s, as at that time, the etymological interpretation was accepted and after correlation and corroboration with the archaeological and other evidences were carried on. Therefore, the exploitation of his books and rejection by the right-wing groups cannot be considered as rational or otherwise. Hindus should have unity and co-operation in all aspects. If power, money and such other factors could divide them, the, there is no meaning in their category and other ideological groups.

© Vedaprakash

07-07-2019

[1] The persons who maintain the website http://www.tamilhindu.com/ have mutual interest with him in other aspects.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aravindan_Neelakandan

[3] The Rational Hindu, The limitations of Aravindan Neelakandan and why he should keep to his expertise, Sep 18, 2017.

https://therationalhindu.com/the-limitations-of-aravindan-neelakandan-and-why-he-should-keep-to-his-expertise-329f409764a2

[4] Dr Venkata Raghotam is supposed to be a ABVP leader with rightwing ideology. http://www.pondiuni.edu.in/profile/dr-venkata-raghotham

[5] This video exposes the stand of Michael Danino, Venkata Ragotham, A. Neelakandan and Sankara Narayanan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWkwDsBYX8g

[6] Roderick Matthews, In the Beginning was Sanskrit. Really? , Open essay, 15 December 2017; http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/essay/in-the-beginning-was-sanskrit-really

[7] Aravindan Neelakandan, Tarring Hindutva With The Oak Brush, by Swarajya, Dec 21, 2017, 4:42 pm;  https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/tarring-hindutva-with-the-oak-brush

[8] Aravindan Neelakandan, Sri Rama In Iraq? This P N Oak-Like Obsession Should Stop!, by Jun 28, 2019, 12:59 pm

[9] https://swarajyamag.com/culture/sri-rama-in-iraq-this-pnoak-like-obsession-should-stop?fbclid=IwAR0JHRA_tfCAcXctKDyftQkwmJ9kN_c4ikUGMT_1I-Gcuj3cQaV5uezF3-8

[10] Shrinivas Tilak, P. N. Oak (1917-2007): The lone fighter, etymologist, and historian,

[11] http://creative.sulekha.com/p-n-oak-1917-2007-the-lone-fighter-etymologist-and-historian_318699_blog

[12] Koenraad Elst, The Incurable Hindu Fondness for P. N. Oak, June 23, 2010.

[13]  http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2010/06/incurable-hindu-fondness-for-pn-oak.html

[14] https://archive.org; https://archive.org/details/EnglishBooksOfP.n.Oak

The Indian woman who went to Korea and became the Queen – the Korea-Indian connection – Was she from Ayodhya or Dravidanadu? [2]

May 24, 2018

The Indian woman who went to Korea and became the Queen – the Korea-Indian connection – Was she from Ayodhya or Dravidanadu? [2]

Stone pagoda brought by Heo Hwang Ok

The Pagoda in front of the tomb of Queen Hur Hwang-ok was made with stones brought from Ayodhya[1]: In South Korea, her tomb is located in Kimhae and there is a stone pagoda in front of it. It is said that the pagoda is made of stones that she brought from Ayodhya. Describing how she landed in Gaya when she first met the king, she said that the heavenly lord (Sange Je) appeared in her parents’ dreams and told them to send her to Korea as the king had not found a queen yet. Legend states that the queen died at the age of 157. During PM Narendra Modi’s visit to South Korea in May last year 2014, the two countries agreed that a bigger monument of the princess will be built in Ayodhya. Recently, during a meeting with the Korean delegation, Uttar Pradesh CM Akhilesh Yadav said that the memorial would be constructed according to the Korean architecture. He asked Kim Ki-Jae, President of Central Karak Clan Society, to provide the design of the monument so that the government can proceed.

Fishes in Korea in the entrance of Kim Suro (King - husband of Heo Hwang Ok_s) tombstone.

The linkage between Korea and India from Ancient tines seminar on 06-11-2015 at Chennai[2]: Interesting facts came to light at the day-long International Conference on Cultural Exchange between India and Korea in Antiquity, organized by the Consulate General of Republic of Korea and the International Institute of Tamil Studies at Hotel Crown Plaza, Chennai on 06-11-2015[3]. Evidently, to compensate or satisfy the “Tamil groups,” this “day-long International Conference” was organized. In the Republic of Korea (South Korea), Tamil words resonate in homes. And many of the native speakers do not realise they are using Tamil words. For, these words are a part of the Korean language. Amma and appa — denoting mother and father in the Korean language too — are among the first words Korean children learn. These are among the thousands of Tamil words that are part of the Korean language. This surprising and interesting fact came to light at the day-long International Conference on Cultural Exchange between India and Korea in Antiquity, jointly organised by the Consulate General of Korea and the International Institute of Tamil Studies here on Friday. Jung Nam Kim, president, Korean Society of Tamil Studies, said there were words found both in Korean and Tamil and in both these languages, they meant the same thing and were pronounced the same way.

Korea Puzhou Queen mother Huagyu Xu native place.Tamil newutting

Linguistic connection between Korea and India[4]: Other Tamil words found in Korean with the same meanings are: naal (day), uraam (manure), pull (grass), pudhu (new), sourru (rice) and yerru (plough). There are more – vanakkam in Tamil is Vankkaamtta in Korean. Bambu denoting a snake, in Tamil, is Bambu-baem in Korean. Santhosham (happiness) in Tamil is Shantutham in Korean. Recently, the State government started translation of Tirukurral into Korean. “We have a shared heritage. The tomb of Queen Suriratna, an Indian princess, in Gimhae in Korea is a symbol of our shared heritage. In fact, Chennai has the largest Korean population — 4,000 — in India,” Kyungsoo Kim, Consul General of Republic of Korea, said. Rathina Pugalenthi, a scholar from Viruthachalam near Cuddolore district, said that dance forms such as Korean drum dance and Thappaattam in Tamil Nadu had at least 12 similarities in terms of movements, and composition of eight members in a group, including two drummers.

2015 IITS, Taramani conference

“…….mounting evidences to indicate that she was from Tamil Nadu, in particular, Pandyan or Aai kingdom”: Rathi Jafer, Director at the InKo Centre, points out that there is the historical journey of Bodhidharma, the monk believed to be from South India who spread Buddhism to China and Korea[5]. We aim to initiate a research project soon to examine the historic links between South India and South Korea, both the ancient trajectories and the contemporary manifestations of this inter-cultural exchange. Of particular interest will be the Buddhist links that existed between the Pandyan, Pallava and the Gaya kingdoms, the manner in which Buddhist scriptures, iconography, language and the introduction of iron and steel are credited as having been transferred from South India to South Korea,” she says. Kannan Narayanaa[6] of Tamil Heritage Foundation claimed that “Researchers thought that Ayuta is actually Ayodhya in India. But there has been mounting evidences to indicate that she was from Tamil Nadu, in particular, Pandyan or Aai kingdom. Recent genetic studies by researchers Jeong-Sun SEO and Kim Jong-il on the remains of her tomb revealed genetic similarities between Indians and Koreans……. a lot more research needs to be done”. Without giving historical evidences, he made such claims and ended with apologetic note that “a lot more research needs to be done”! However, his intention has been different as revealed later. P. Banumathi, assistant professor, Department of Tamil in Valliammal College for Women, spoke about how the traditional weaving technology of the State was meritoriously followed in the interior parts of Korea even now.

Akanda dravidastan-balu, kannan

Orissa Balu inventor of “Sembavala Rani” who became a goddess of Korea: A Malaysian friend sent a video about a “World Tamil Conference” held May 19th and 20th at Cambodia and asked me to go through and opine. When I watched the video carefully, I could understand that the same Kannan Narayanaa was talking in a different tone. Kannan has already uploaded his paper[7] in 2011, in which, repeating the researches of  Professor Kim Byeongmo and  Parthasarathi, suddenly asserts that she started at Nagapattinam or Mamallapuram, touching Sri Lanka, Nicobar Islands, Java (Bali) and finally reaching Guang-Zhou in China. Without giving any historical evidence, he concluded with “Substantial research is due.” In research, the researcher has to bring out his conclusion based on primary evidences, or secondary evidences with new interpretation. He cannot present the stuff that has already been presented, published etc. Here, the pattern note is that one researcher put forward one hypothesis without any historical evidences, but, linguistic with comparing here and there few words. This is picked up by another as concluded “history,” and adds his hypothesis. In short, the same old stuff, well-known stuff is repeated and again with embellishment and internet bombardment of U-tubes and so on.

Delegates from Malaysia, May 20-05-2018

Orissa Balu’s old linguistic and racial studies promoting emotional Tamil separatism: Ironically, now he revealed the “inventor of Tamil lady who went from Tamilnadu to Korea” instead of Ayodhya. He was referring to “Orissa Balu” who asserted that the lady was from “Ay kingdom.” S. Balasubraminan from Orissa has been obsessive nationalist enthusiast turned Tamil propagandist. He started telling everybody that Tamil was the first language, from which all languages originated, “Kumarikandam” was there under Indian Ocean, he had gone under ocean and sea portions and so on. Though, he has not been telling anything new, for the current generation, such stuff would excite them. Thus, he has become popular amongst the “pro-Tamil” groups and even DK invited him to talk about “Kumarikandam” at Periyar Thidal. The problem with this type of “Tamil researchers” have been that they read and interpret every non-Tamil word as Tamil without caring for other evidences. In 1960s one Arunagiri Nadar was doing that by bringing out small booklets showing all words of world were etymologically derived from Tamil. Later in 1980s, it was picked up, but claimed as his invention by one Sattur Sekaran. Now perhaps, Orissa Balu has come. Ironically, already there has been one Blalakrishnan from Orissa, an IAS officer has also been doing similar type of research, however, methodological.

Korea Puzhou Queen mother Huagyu Xu native place.Tamil Heritage foundation


Nagarajan’s paper on the Korean Queen of Tamilnadu[8]: One Prof. Nagarajan sent a paper to “Mintamil” group for the 2015 one-day-seminar, but, not presented or accepted. The following narrative is taken from his paper. “Though Korea has a long history of its own, until 1300 CE Korea remained as unknown and forbidden land to western world. The first publication of its history ‘Samguk Yusa’ or ‘The Heritage History of the Three Kingdoms’, a treasured work in Korea which was written in the 13th century enabled the Koreans to understand their longstanding history, heritage and legacy.  Based on the premise, Korean scholars believed that their first queen has come from a far of land known by the name Ayuktha.  When they commenced the research they first identified Ayuktha Kingdom of Thailand and subsequently reached Ayodhya of India.  Prima facie they believed that sufficient materials are available to accept the premise that their first queen was the Princess of Ayodhya. According to their sources,the princess from India travelled by boat having red colour flag with twin fish. She was accompanied by her brother and a team of 22 members as an embassy to meet the King Suro of Kaya Kingdom.  She travelled for two months and reached the Korean shore and she married King Suro on 27th July CE 48.  She carried with her valuable presents such as precious stones, tea plants, seven storm preventing stones and 12 stringed musical instruments………………[continued]

 

©Vedaprakash

24-05-2018

Subashini, Orissa Balu, Kannan

[1] https://www.thebetterindia.com/48519/ayodhya-south-korea-queen-hur-hwang-ok/

[2] The Hindu, Words that speak of an enduring link between Tamil and Korean, D. Madhavan, NOVEMBER 07, 2015 00:00 IST; UPDATED: NOVEMBER 07, 2015 09:05 IST.

[3] As per the brochure issued by the organizers and available in the “Mintamil” group website.

[4] http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/words-that-speak-of-an-enduring-link-between-tamil-and-korean/article7853212.ece

[5] DTnext, Tracing ties between Tamil Nadu and South Korea, Published: Nov 06,201506:42 PM.

[6] https://www.dtnext.in/News/City/2015/11/06184227/Tracing-ties-between-Tamil-Nadu-and-South-Korea.vpf

[7] N. Kannan, The Tamil-Korean Relationship, Proceedings of the International Seminar on the Contributions of Tamils to the Composite Culture of Asia, Institute of Asian Studies, Chennai, India. 16th-18th January 2011.  – https://www.academia.edu/16555174/Tamil_Korean_relationship

[8] Prof.V.Nagarajan, The legend of Queen Heo Hwang-ok – the first queen of Korea. Historizing her as the princess from India, Virtual freelance researcher; Email: professor.nagarajan@gmail.com, Mobile: 09003271687

 

“Glimpses of Srimad Bhagavatam” – National seminar held at Vijayawada on October 14th and 15th, 2017.

October 16, 2017

“Glimpses of Srimad Bhagavatam” – National seminar held at Vijayawada on October 14th and 15th, 2017.

Location of Hyndavi, Vijayawada

“Glimpses of Srimad Bhagavatam” – National seminar held at Vijayawada: Bharatiya Itihasa Sankalana Samiti[1](hereinafter mentioned as BISS), Andhra Pradesh conducted two National Seminars on Ramayanam – Historicity and Maha Bharatam – Historicity in 2013 and 2015 in Ongole and Rajamundhry respectively.  In 2017, the BISS conducted a national seminar at Vijayawada on October 14th and 15th on “Glimpses of Srimad Bhagavatam”. Now that “Historicity” was dropped might be noted. The venue was “Haindavi” Bhavan, Street besides Lotus Land Mark[2], Ramalingeswara Peta, Vijayawada-3. Actually, it is in Sector-5, and the location is known as “near Ice Factory”. Hyndavi building, Vijayawada - photo Rajesh PadmarOutstation delegates had some difficulty to reach the venue. Incidentally, the multi-storied building was built, completed and inaugurated last year[3]. Sri Siddheswarananda Bharati Swamy of Sri Siddheswari Peetham (Tamil Nadu) and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) All India Organising Secretary Dattatreya Hosabale inaugurated the RSS’s regional office ‘Hyndavi’ at Ayodhya Nagar here on August 5th, 2016 (Thursday)[4]. RSS office inaugrated 05-08-2016 Vijayawada

The seminar hall has been equipped with Power point and other provisions. The organizers had made good arrangements – food, accommodation etc., for the delegates. Sri Koti Lakshmana Rao, secretary, BISS has been instrumental in bringing different researchers, scholars and others together.

Haindavi Bhawan -L-R view

Theme of the Seminar: Research Papers were received from scholars, Research Students and people who were interested in History of ancient India / Bharat and its culture, tradition, heritage and civilization. The organizers expressed in their circular specifically that the Samiti desired that the main focus of the presentations in the seminar should be on historical, geographical, political, social, and cultural as well as Dharmic and ethical perspectives. They suggested the following topics in the context:

1.       Viswa srushti

2.      Propositions on Dharma

3.      Astronomical perspectives

4.      Geographical references

5.      Rivers, Mountains, Forests

6.      Piligrimages

7.      Life style of forest dwellers, common people & kings (rulers)

8.     Status & significance of Women.

9.      Systems of Education

10.  Customs & Rituals

11.   Sculpture, Architecture & Fine Arts

12.  Kings, kingdoms, Royal dynasties,

13.  State craft & politics, Systems of State And Governance

14.  Sages, establishments and their influence

15.   Upakhyanas and their influence etc.,

16.  Other related topic also may be considered.

Bhagawata seminar banner on the gate

About 40 papers were presented on the topics suggested, but overlapping. Most of the papers delved upon the devotional, descriptive, narrative, legendary aspects and discourses of Bhagawatham. Perhaps, only one paper delved upon the historical perspective, which touched upon the “Archaeological Evidences for the existence of “Historical Krishna”. In the present-day context, as ideology has been working at the Universities, schools and all other academic institutions and forums, it could be answered and countered only by ideology and not by devotional discourses. Of course, it is required and may be mandatory also at earlier stages of curriculum, hitherto followed as “Moral period / class” provided till 1970s. The “Moral period” was removed and of course, the degradation of sacademics could be noted thereafter in different aspects.

Bhagawata seminar - breafast

Critical edition of Bhagawatam has to be brought out: Critical editions of Ramayana and Mahabharat have been prepared and published by the Baroda Oriental Rearch Institute and Bhandarkar Oriental Rearch Institute respectively[5]. Similarly, critical edition of Bhagawatapurana should be published, so that researchers, scholars and students could conduct their research in the historical perspective. Approaching Bhagawatam in Sanskrit and other regional languages show how the work had been so popular and common among the common people for 2000 years. Though, the narrative, legendary and mythical details vary, the core of the subject matter remains intact and specific. The study / process of manuscripts to determine the original or most authoritative form of a text, especially of a piece of literature and thus arriving at an acceptable version and publication of it is known as “critical edition”. In Literary criticism it is stressing close reading and detailed analysis of a particular text. In such determination of determining the original or most authoritative form of a text, all the available manuscripts are subjected to study. Notably, in “India”(pre-colonial, pre-Mohammedan) thousands and millions of manuscripts had been available, as they were nothing but just like present-day printed books. In spite of the taking away, looting and burning libraries of temples, mutts and Universities, still millions of manuscript are available in thousands of archives, libraries – prove the fact. Perhaps, no other literature of any nation, language or society has been existing in this manner. Therefore, the variance found in Indian literature has been unique, interpolations incidental (other than internal nature of Jains, Buddhists etc) and differences inadvertent. Thus, a critical edition can be prepared.

Bhagawata seminar - hall where held

The hall where seminar was held.

Bhagawata seminar - Limited audience

Limited audience – LHS view.

Bhagawata seminar - Limited audience.RHS

Limited audience – RHS view.

Bhagawata seminar - Mohana, Balamukund, Koti, TVR

Inaguration of the seminar by lighting a lamp.

Bhagawata seminar - paper presenters

Scholars presenting papers.

Bhagawata seminar - paper presenters.more

Researchers presenting papers.

Demythologization in Indian context: In Indian historiographical context, much of “demythologization” is also required. Demythologization as a hermeneutic approach to religious texts seeks to separate cosmological and historic claims from philosophical, ethical and theological teachings. Rudolf Bultmann (1884-1976) introduced the term demythologization (in German: Entmythologisierung) in this context[6]. It is to provide an explanation of something, or to present something, in a way that removes any mystery surrounding it. Here, actually, history has been mythologized to reach all and common people with easy understanding. The following have been generally noted as feature of mythologization of different aspects and subjects of humanity:

  1. Deification of personalities raising them to Godhead and God.
  2. Attributing miracles, grand feats, great exploitation, controlling nature etc.
  3. Recording Natural disasters (floods, volcanic eruptions, earth-quakes, submergence of land mass and other land disturbances) in their own fashion of divine scourge, punishment of God and so on.
  4. Good would always prevail over Bad, evil, injustice etc.
  5. “Cakravarti-kshetra” i.e, a king ruling vast area with unlimited or traditional boundaries (Himalsyas in the north, Kanyakumari / ocean in the south, Eastern Ocean in the east and the western ocean in the west)[7].
  6. Concept of dwelling land, continent changing from island (Jambudwipam, Navalanthivu) to the above boundaries.
  7. Movement of asterisms, planets etc., and their attribution to great personalities and gods.
  8. Synchronization of rites, festivals and celebrations with days, weeks, 15-days, 30-days, year and so on (Lunar calendar).
  9. Attribution of cyclic periods, growth of plants and trees, flowers and fruits top a particular god or Goddess.
  10. Existence of personalities for many years – 100, 1,000 etc., denoting existence of such ashrams, mutt etc.

Bhagawata seminar - second day started with prayer

Second day seminar – starting with a prayer.

Bhagawata seminar - second day -audience

Methodology adopted and adapted by the Puranic writers – a way of historiography: They are nothing but Puranas and they were updated during the course of time many times. The updating is nothing but adding details upto the date of updating, thus, if one Purana was uptated in 1500 CE, it would contain details upto 1500 CE from the beginning. Revising, renewing and modernizing Puranas was considered as imortant in those days. All the above topics would havealso been updated depending upon the acumen of the updating experts. However, reading such revised editions of Puranas (in manuscript forms), the wesern researchers and European colonial history writers presumed that such and such Purana was written in 1500 CE instead of 300 BCE, 500 BCE or even 1000 BCE. The Jaina[8] and Buddhists[9] had resorted to update in their own fashion by including their affairs and thus, they could bee seen in the manuscripts of Ramayana and Mahabharat also. But, no historian would accept that the dates of Jainism and Buddhism could go back to those periods. Though, the date of Ramayana has been entangled with “Yuga” calculations, the date of Mahabharat has been fixed to c.3102 BCE[10].

© Vedaprakash

16-10-2017

Bhagawata seminar - paper presenters receiving certificate-1

The paper presenters were given certificates.

Bhagawata seminar - paper presenters receiving certificate-2

This lady-researcher from Rastriya Sanskrit Vidhyapit, Tirupati presented paper in Sanskrit.Bhagawata seminar - paper presenters receiving certificate-3

This researcher from Rastriya Sanskrit Vidhyapit, Tirupati also presented paper in Sanskrit.  His way of presentaion, expression and body language had been so articulative conveying mesage to the listeners.

[1] A society for collection of data for history writing for Bharat, that is India.

[2] This created confusion for auto drivers and they took the coming delegates in opposite direction and the reaching the venue.

[3] The Hindu, RSS’s regional office ‘Hyndavi’ inaugurated, Vijayawada, August, 05, 2016 00:00 IST; Updated. August, 05, 2016 06:06 IST

[4] http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/RSS%E2%80%99s-regional-office-%E2%80%98Hyndavi%E2%80%99-inaugurated/article14552939.ece

[5] Critical edition is an authorized sort of version of Itihasa, after going through available thousands of manuscripts by hundreds of Pundits, scholars, historians etc., separating interpolated verses and arriving at acceptable version.

[6] Though, he used in the biblical context, in India, we can use in Indian context. For us, the Puranic writers have themselves have shown the methodology of mythologization and demythologization of history for the different groups of audience.

[7] D. C. Sircar pointed out in his book on epigraphy.

[8] Jains created 24-tirtankaras and made them existing in Ramayana and Mahabharat periods.

[9] Buddhists had created the concept of “Adi Buddha” existing in every yuga.

[10] This has traditional date but recorded in inscriptions and now proven by atronomical and planetary pisition software. Incidentally, this date has been associated with – starting of Kaliyuga, subnergence of Dwaraka, Niryana of Krishna, and other events.